Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|jon_downes|jon@cfz.org.uk|01/03/06 at 19:48:30|jon_downes|xx|0|86.143.199.174|Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?


By Mohd Haikal Isa

JOHOR BAHARU, Dec 23 (Bernama) -- Does Bigfoot exist in the jungles of Johor?

Well, Vincent Chow believes so. Chow is adviser to the Malaysian Nature Society (MNS) Johor.

He claims that he is certain Bigfoot exists in Johor, saying that many people had seen the creature.

"Bigfoot exists. We have received reports from many people who said they had seen the creature in the forests of Tanjung Piai, Mersing, Kahang, the Endau Rompin National Park and Kota Tinggi," he said.

"They (the sightings) are not a new phenomenon. In fact, I regard this as a unique feature of the Johor's treasures and we must take steps to safeguard it," he told Bernama.

Chow said the latest sighting occurred last month in Kampung Mawai, Kota Tinggi, when three workers building a fish pond in the village claimed to have seen a Bigfoot family of two adults and a child.

The workers returned to the area and saw several footprints, some large and others small, including one 45cm long, he said.

"The footprints were proof of what the workers said they saw -- a family of Bigfoot. Their claim is credible," Chow said.

He estimated that the creatures were between eight and 10 feet high, judging from the height of the branch of a tree that had been broken at the place. The creatures were believed to have brown-coloured fur, judging from some fur recovered there, and which had the smell of a human armpit.

Chow said that according to the sightings at Endau Rompin, the creatures were not only tall but large too.

Those who claimed to have seen the creatures said the Bigfoot family was walking near the Kincin River, probably in search of fish.

Chow said that even the Orang Asli in Johor claimed to have seen the large creatures whom they called "Hantu Jarang Gigi".

An Orang Asli from the Jakun tribe, Awang Jaafar, 48, from Kampung Puyut, Kahang, said his brother-in-law had seen the creatures, who were about 10 feet tall, while driving along a logging track at the Lenggor National Park last month.

An Orang Asli girl, Empan a/p Melai, five, who was lost for six days in the Lenggor National Park while searching for rattan with her family early this month, said she had seen a large "King Kong" with huge arms and covered with black fur.

She ran away from the creature, said her brother Awin a/l Sentok who narrated the story.

Chow said MNS Johor was prepared to carry out a scientific study of the creatures, and urged other interested parties to do the same.

-- BERNAMA

|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|jon_downes|jon@cfz.org.uk|01/03/06 at 19:49:07|jon_downes|xx|0|86.143.199.174|‘Big Foot’ sighted in Kota Tinggi

JOHOR BARU: Talk of a Big Foot sighting in Kota Tinggi has attracted the attention of both locals as well as the media.  

Three workers who were building a fishpond in Kampung Mawai claimed they saw a huge furry creature, standing almost 2.5m tall.  

Malaysia Nature Society Johor branch member Vincent Chow said an MNS member who happened to be there found a huge footprint, between 40cm and 50cm long, in the mud.  

He said the orang asli called the creature Jarang Gigi as there were gaps in between its teeth.  

State National Parks Corporation director Hashim Yusoff dismissed the claims as baseless as there was no scientific evidence to show that the creature actually existed in the jungles of Johor.  






|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|jon_downes|jon@cfz.org.uk|01/03/06 at 19:49:35|jon_downes|xx|0|86.143.199.174|Study to verify 'Bigfoot'
R. Sittamparam and Chuah Bee Kim

JOHOR BARU, Dec 24:
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The Johor National Parks Corporation is willing to collaborate with anyone wanting to carry out a study to verify the existence of "Bigfoot" in Johor.  

Its director, Hashim Yusoff, said today there was a need for a scientific study to determine once and for all if such a creature existed in Johor.

Without dismissing the claims of sightings of "Bigfoot", he said his staff had found no physical evidence of the presence of "Bigfoot" either in the Endau-Rompin National Park or the Tanjung Piai National Park.

Sightings of hairy creatures said to be about three metres tall have trickled in over the years, especially from along the forest spine connecting Endau Rompin, Kota Tinggi and Tanjung Piai.

In the latest sighting, a fish researcher from the Johor branch of the Malaysian Nature Society claimed he spotted "Bigfoot" footprints at a swamp near Sungai Sedili in Kampung Mawai, Kota Tinggi.

MNS adviser Vincent Chow said there had also been numerous "Bigfoot" sightings by villagers, who refer to the creature as hantu jarang gigi (snaggle-toothed ghost).

Villagers claimed they were usually seen during the monsoon and fruiting seasons, sometimes raiding orchards but not harming anyone.

Chow said, as a child, he had joined his father on search expeditions whenever a sighting of the creature was reported.

"These creatures could be trapped in a time warp and have not evolved like other animals," he said. "Forced to breed among themselves, they have not changed much over the ages and are greatly reduced in numbers."

Chow said there was worldwide interest in the "Bigfoot" phenomena and a lot of research was being carried out in Australia and America but not in Malaysia.

He said MNS Johor's investigations had found that the sightings were consistent about the size of the creatures, their habits, and the shape and size of their footprints.

He said sightings of the creatures were reported in Tanjung Piai last year and at Kahang, near Kluang, about five months ago, with similar footprints found at all three sites.

In 1995 a massive search was organised by the authorities of the dense jungle at Tanjung Piai following reports by villagers of a sighting there, but they found nothing.

Although fresh footprints with the distinctive four toes of the creature were found, "Bigfoot" remains elusive.

In 2001, at the 40,197ha Endau-Rompin National Park, several Forestry Department officials, Rela members and campers reported seeing the creature.

One of the sightings was at Sungai Kincin, a tributary of the Endau River. Fish bones were found scattered, possibly indicating that a "Bigfoot" family of three had just had their meal there.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Sunday/National/20051225075751/Article/indexb_html
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|jon_downes|jon@cfz.org.uk|01/03/06 at 19:51:01|jon_downes|xx|0|86.143.199.174|Hunt for 'Bigfoot'

R. Sittamparam
JOHOR BARU, Dec 28:

The Wildlife Department plans to catch the Malaysian "Bigfoot" on camera.

The department's Biodiversity Conservation Division director, Siti Hawa Yatim, said the Johor Wildlife Department would be directed to install cameras in selected areas in the jungle after it had compiled the accounts of those who had reportedly seen the creature or had evidence of its existence.

Siti Hawa said the department would also survey areas where the sightings were reported.

Interest in the Bigfoot was triggered when three workers claimed they saw two huge creatures and a young one as they were building a fish pond in Kampung Mawai, Kota Tinggi, last month.

The workers returned to the area and saw several footprints, some large and others small, including one 45cm long.

A member of the Johor branch of the Malaysian Nature Society, who was carrying out a fish survey nearby, took photographs of the footprints.

His investigations indicated that the creatures were about three metres tall, based on the height of a tree branch that was broken off at the site.

From hair reeking of body odour recovered in the area, it is believed the creatures are covered with brown hair.

Johor MNS adviser Vincent Chow welcomed the willingness of the Federal and State Governments to look into the possible existence of Bigfoot in Johor's jungles, as this could spur ecotourism in the State.

He said such a study would attract the large international community of Bigfoot researchers, in particular cryptozoologists from America and Australia.

Cryptozoologists are those who study animal phenomena like Bigfoot in a very serious way.

"We are sitting on a wonderful opportunity by way of the Bigfoot research to spur ecotourism in Johor, taking the cue of Loch Ness in Scotland," Chow said.

He said the Bigfoot of Endau-Rompin could be promoted like the Loch Ness monster, which brings in millions of tourism dollars for Scotland through tours and souvenirs.

"Malaysia, in particular Endau-Rompin, came into the cryptozoologists' view after the publicising of researcher Harold Stephens' find of large footprints on the lower Endau River in the 1960s," he said.

"Sightings in Malaysia are not often reported for fear of ridicule. Occasionally, curiosity seems to be overwhelming and reports have trickled into the pages of the nation's Press."

Chow said such news was picked up in Western countries where Bigfoot is popular, especially in America where the "Sasquatch" has a large following with clubs, organisations and merchandising that brings in millions.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Thursday/National/20051229075857/Article/indexb_html
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|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|jon_downes|jon@cfz.org.uk|01/03/06 at 19:51:24|jon_downes|xx|0|86.143.199.174|Bigfoot 'can boost eco-tourism'
Friday December 30, 2005

IF BIGFOOT really exists in Johor, the find may turn out to be a major crowd puller for the country's eco-tourism sector.

Johor National Parks Corporation (JNPC) director Hashim Yusof in an interview with a Malay daily said any physical and scientific evidence of Bigfoot's existence would turn the state's forest into an attraction for researchers and tourists alike.

However, Hashim said that JNPC was unable to track down Bigfoot due to a shortage of manpower to comb the national park.

"But we are willing to work together with relevant authorities conducting researches on Bigfoot," he said.

Johor Malaysian Nature Society (MNS) adviser Vincent Chow was earlier quoted as saying that three Bigfoots were sighted last month by workers in Kampung Mawai, Kota Tinggi.

They were believed to be between 2.4m and 3m tall.

The daily also quoted Kota Tinggi Historical Association committee member Zakaria Abdul Hadi, who had proposed that independent researchers be brought in to conduct a study.

"Without a proper study, Bigfoot remains a myth. There have been many tales about it.

"According to the tales, Bigfoot was sighted in Kampung Mawai Lama back in the 1940s," he said.

But one man who claimed to have seen the elusive creature is Bentong deputy OCPD Deputy Supt Mohd Fakri Che Sulaiman, who told Utusan Malaysia about his encounter with Bigfoot.

"It was like a big gorilla about four storeys tall standing about 10m away.

"Although it was foggy, we could see it was staring at us with its hands on its hips," said DSP Fakri, adding that it shouted after 10 minutes while pounding its chest.

He said although the incident happened 26 years ago at the Malaysia-Thailand border, he could remember it clearly.

DSP Fakri said he was then with the Forest Police Force in Pengakalan Chepa, Kelantan, now called the General Operations Force.

"It was about 8.30pm when 10 of us from Platoon 15 heard loud footsteps in the forest.

"We were ready to fire at it but were advised otherwise as we were worried it might become violent," he said, adding that Bigfoot walked off soon after.

The next day, DSP Fakri said they found two left footprints measuring 0.9m long.

"Many trees were broken and uprooted as Bigfoot had trampled on them," he said.

Bigfoot Field Research Organisation, a group which conducts scientific research to ascertain Bigfoot's existence, claimed that Bigfoot could be found in most continents including the Americas and Asia.

It was claimed that Bigfoot had been sighted in 49 states in the United States with California recording the most with 326 sightings.  

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2005/12/30/southneast/12965406&sec=southneast
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|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|billgreenctbigfoot|billgreenctbigfoot@sbcglobal.net|01/05/06 at 01:59:58|billgreenctbigfoot|xx|0|69.182.107.53|hi jon & everyone here happy new year. i was looking on the net tonight there is still alot new media coverage over these malaysia sasquatch encounters im sure it will continue. have you all been in touch with researchers of malaysia tonight etc about these resent encounters. please keep me informed ok. bill  :) :)|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/09/06 at 08:32:53|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.99.21|"Bigfoot" Fever

Tue Jan 3,12:37 PM ET

KUALA LUMPUR (Reuters) - Bigfoot fever is gripping Malaysia, with local newspapers and the official news agency reporting sightings of a huge ape in southern rainforests.

In one reported sighting, an indigenous man claimed he saw a 10-foot-tall ape standing on two legs beside a river in heavy rainforest in Johor state, the director of the state's national-parks service told Reuters Sunday.

"He said it was hairy all over, like a gorilla," said Hashim Yusoff, director of Johor National Parks Corp.

Hashim took and a group of park rangers and journalists into the Sungai Madek forest reserve last week in four-wheel-drive vehicles to ask indigenous people in the area about the reported sightings.

He said he was keeping an open mind and wanted to enlist scientists to prove whether the beast was fact or fantasy. "We are collecting a database on the sightings," he added.

Hashim denied he was staging a publicity stunt to lure more visitors to the area. But with latest remake of the movie "King Kong" and bigfoot-spotting almost an industry in itself, there are bound to be suspicions.

"No way. If there's any suggestion that we are using this one to get publicity, it's not true," Hashim said.

The Malayasian press is enjoying the story, running headlines like "Rangers on the trail of Bigfoot" and "Villagers' close encounter with Bigfoot."

One newspaper published a picture of a large but vague impression in mud, calling it a footprint.
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/09/06 at 08:37:49|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.99.21|From Al Jazeera News via BruneiDirect.Com.: 4 Jan. 2006
Malaysia Hunts For Mythical Bigfoot

Johor - Authorities have begun searching the jungles of southern Malaysia
for the mythical Bigfoot following a reported sighting of three giant
human-like beasts, officials say.
Wildlife authorities may set up cameras in the 800sq km Endau Rompin
National Park in Johor state on Friday, to see if the creatures do exist.
Hashim Yusof, park director, ventured into the jungle on Friday to survey
the site where three fish farm workers reportedly saw the beasts - two
adults and a young one - last month.
Lim Teong Kheng, the chairman of the Malaysian Nature Society in Johor, said
the fish farm workers were in the jungle to clear an area for a fish pond,
when they alerted their employer who photographed what appeared to be
footprints measuring up to 45cm.
He said brown hair reeking of body odour was also reportedly retrieved
nearby, and a broken tree branch at the site appeared to indicate the
creatures were some three metres tall.
The New Straits Times newspaper on Thursday reprinted one of the photographs
taken by the fish farmer, showing what appears to be a triangular depression
in the undergrowth.
Bigfoot sightings have been reported for decades in the area but never taken
seriously for lack of evidence.
Lim told AP: "Nobody dared say anything in case people say they are out of
their minds. But sightings have been enumerated by many others before this
at the Endau Rompin area."
Bigfoot is a popular name given in the United States to giant hairy
creatures walking on two legs. Sightings of such beasts are reported in many
parts of the world but never confirmed.
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/09/06 at 08:45:18|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.99.21|From Berita Wilayah (Malaysia): 4 Jan. 2004
Southern Region News
Johor's Bigfoot - Remnants Of Pre-Historic Apes?
By Mohd Haikal Mohd Isa

JOHOR BAHARU, Jan 4 (Bernama) -- Could Bigfoot, believed to have been
spotted in the jungles of Johor, actually be a pre-historic animal which had
gone extinct over hundreds of thousand years ago?

Based on the Bigfoot-Giganto theory, researchers claimed that Bigfoot, also
known as Sasquatch, Yeti or Mawas was probably a pre-historic giant ape
which lived during the Middle of Pleistocene age.

The animal is believed to be living in several parts of Asia including China
and Southeast Asia, as well as North America during ancient times before
facing extinction from the earth some 200,000 to 500,000 years ago.

The question of whether Bigfoot was a pre-historic animal had long been
discussed by researchers across the world but until now, they have failed to
reach any definite answer to it.

This raised questions whether the Bigfoot sightings by several individuals,
including Orang Asli villagers at the 248 million year old Endau-Rompin
National Park, may be the remnants of the Gigantopithecus Blacki (or 'Giant
Ape' in Latin) species.

At the same time, there were similar physical traits between Gigantopithecus
and Bigfoot, which according to the Orang Asli folks, the giant animal,
which was said to be 10 feet tall, with brown hairy body, was sighted in
several jungle spots in Johor.

Before this, several animal species believed to have gone extinct, were
later found to still exist. For example, the Coelacanth fish, known to have
existed about 360 million years ago and believed to have gone into
extinction, was caught by fishermen in 1938.

According to the US-based Bigfoot Field Research Organisation (BFRO),
researchers on the animal generally accepted the Bigfoot-Giganto theory.

The BFRO which claims itself as the most credible Bigfoot research
organisation on its website, said the issue of Gigantopithecus had caught
the interest of many anthropologists and primatologists.

Johor National Park Corporation (JNPC) Director Hashim Yusof when asked by
Bernama on the link between Bigfoot and Gigantopithecus, said that the
possibility is there, given the park's huge space and age.

"The Endau-Rompin National Park covers 48,906 hectares or 800 sq. km and
aged 248 million years. We only have information on half of the flora and
fauna inside it," he said. Recently JNPC organised a one-day expedition at
Endau-Rompin to trek Bigfoot but failed to find any traces such as its
footprints.

Hashim said, his party would organise another expedition to track down
Bigfoot at the Endau Rompin National Park probably next month, where they
will stay for a week inside the forest.

Meanwhile, another Johorian environmentalist Vincent Chow said the
Bigfoot-Giganto theory that Bigfoot could be the remnants of the
Gigantopithecus Blacki species might be the most accurate.

He said the theory had its grounds as it was based on experts' findings such
as those in anthropology and other related fields.

Chow, an adviser of an environmental association in the state, said that the
Endau-Rompin National Park's age matched that of the era of the giant ape
Gigantopithecus which existed in the face of the earth.

At the same time, the virgin forest of the National Park makes it conducive
for the giant animal's habitat.

"Bigfoot should be protected and regarded as the state's heritage," he said.
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/10/06 at 11:16:19|obadiah|xx|0|86.140.68.15|http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/1/5/nation/13031350&sec=nation

The Star Online > Nation
Thursday January 5, 2006
Foreigners show interest in Bigfoot

JOHOR BARU: Reports on possible sightings of a Bigfoot-like creature in
the state have attracted international attention, including those
investigating paranormal activities.
Johor National Parks Corporation director Hashim Yusof said he had
received calls from BBC London, Reuters news agency and a club called
Singapore Paranormal Investigators (SPI) wanting more information on the
sightings.

"Stories on the sightings in the jungles of Mawai in Kota Tinggi have
really aroused the curiosity of many," he said yesterday.
The SPI, he added, even expressed interest in tracking down the elusive
creature.
The club has a comprehensive website with numerous links to news
stories, reports of investigations into "haunted" locations in Singapore
and details of equipment used to track paranormal activity, among other
things.
It has about 350 members from all walks of life.
Hashim said he had also received at least six calls from locals who
claimed to have spotted the creature.
"They said they were afraid to talk about their sightings for fear of
being ridiculed," he said, adding that more research was needed to
ascertain the truth behind the encounters.
The latest reported sighting was last month, by a group of workers who
claimed to have seen a huge furry creature in Kampung Mawai, Kota
Tinggi.|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/10/06 at 11:16:54|obadiah|xx|0|86.140.68.15|http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,17737860%255E954,00.html

Big Foot sighting a shoe-in for tourism
Pauline Jasudason in Kuala Lumpur
06jan06

REPORTED sightings of a "Big Foot" in southern Malaysia's jungles could
be used as a tourist draw, officials said yesterday, as they planned
another expedition to track the mythical beast.

Malaysian media have been gripped by "Big Foot" fever since some fish
farm workers reported seeing three giant human-like hairy beasts in
November at the edge of the Endau Rompin National Park forest in Johor
state.
They also claim to have seen a gigantic footprint, which they
photographed and gave to local newspapers.
Johor Tourism Action Council general manager Abdul Jabar Tahir said no
plans had been made yet on how the story could be used to attract
tourists to the state.
But, he said, the purported sightings could benefit Malaysia's tourism
industry.
"It will be good for us," Mr Abdul said.
"The national parks officials must do more fact-finding, but like the
Loch Ness monster, this can bring some good for our country."

A team from the Johor National Parks Corporation, which manages the
Endau Rompin reserve, conducted a one-day expedition last week to survey
the area where the beasts were allegedly sighted.
The team, led by park director Hashim Yusoff, found no physical evidence
but recorded more reports of sightings from interviews with indigenous
villagers who lived on the fringes, one of Mr Hashim's aides said on
condition of anonymity because she was not authorised to speak publicly.
A second expedition was being planned for early February, she added.
"This is a boon for Johor."

The news has put the state on the international tourism radar.
"We must maximise benefits from the publicity generated," Johor Tourist
Guides Association chairman Johnny Leong was quoted as saying by the New
Straits Times daily.
The Times also quoted Mr Hashim as saying that media organisations
from around the globe had called him to seek information, and one
paranormal research group from Singapore had offered to help track the
elusive creature.
"They all want to know if Big Foot is for real," he said.
Mr Hashim was in a meeting yesterday morning and unable to take calls.

"Big Foot" is a popular name given in the US to giant hairy creatures
walking on two legs, such as the Australian Yowie.
Sightings of such beasts are reported in many parts of the world but
never confirmed. || Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/10/06 at 11:18:03|obadiah|xx|0|86.140.68.15|http://www.mmail.com.my/Current_News/MM/Thursday/National/20060105114211/Article/index_html

ON THE TRAIL OF JOHOR'S BIGFOOT: What is it?
1/5/06

Could Bigfoot, believed to have been spotted in the jungles of Johor,
actually be a pre-historic animal which had gone extinct over hundreds
of thousand years ago? Based on the Bigfoot-Giganto theory, researchers
claimed that Bigfoot, also known as Sasquatch, Yeti or Mawas was
probably a pre-historic giant ape which lived during the Middle of
Pleistocene age.

The animal is believed to be living in several parts of Asia including
China and South-East Asia, as well as North America during ancient times
before facing extinction from the earth some 200,000 to 500,000 years
ago.
The question of whether Bigfoot was a pre-historic animal had long been
discussed by researchers around the world but until now, they have
failed to reach any defi nite answer to it.
This raised questions whether the Bigfoot sightings by several
individuals, including Orang Asli villagers at the 248 million-year-old
Endau-Rompin National Park, may be the remnants of the Gigantopithecus
Blacki ('Giant Ape' in Latin) species.

At the same time, there were similar physical traits between
Gigantopithecus and Bigfoot, which according to the Orang Asli folk, the
giant animal, which was said to be 10 feet tall, with brown hairy body,
was sighted in several jungle spots in Johor.
According to the US-based Bigfoot Field Research Organisation (BFRO),
researchers on the animal generally accepted the Bigfoot-Giganto theory.

The BFRO which claims itself as the most credible Bigfoot research
organisation on its website, said the issue of Gigantopithecus had
caught the interest of many anthropologists and primatologists.
Johor National Park Corporation (JNPC) director Hashim Yusof, when asked
on the link between Bigfoot and Gigantopithecus, said that the
possibility is there, given the park's huge area and age.
"The Endau-Rompin National Park covers 48,906 hectares and is 248
million years old. We only have information on half of the fl ora and
fauna there," he said.

Recently JNPC organised a one-day expedition at Endau-Rompin to trek
Bigfoot but failed to fi nd any traces such as its footprints.
Hashim said his party would organise another expedition to track down
Bigfoot at the Endau-Rompin National Park probably next month, where
they will stay for a week inside the jungle. - Bernama
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/10/06 at 11:24:44|obadiah|xx|0|86.140.68.15|Closing in on Bigfoot, foreign media set to descend on Johor
Chuah Bee Kim

JOHOR BARU, Wed.
January 06 2006

It could be the biggest spoof of the year, but not everyone is scoffing at reported sightings of "Bigfoot" in the dense jungles of Kota Tinggi.

Television stations and journalists from around the world are expected to descend on Johor over the next few weeks to track the elusive creature.

It is learnt that BBC London has made preliminary enquiries, while several international magazines have also contacted tour agents here and in Singapore to cover the story.

The Johor National Parks Corporation (JNPC) has also been inundated with calls by journalists from around the world.

"Telephone calls and emails from media organisations have been pouring in ever since news of Bigfoot was published," said JNPC director Mohamed Hashim Yusoff.

A Singapore-based paranormal activity group had contacted JNPC to help track down the creature.

Researchers and trackers are also excited about the latest alleged sightings.

"They all want to know if Bigfoot is for real," said Hashim, adding that the TV crews and reporters were keen to venture into the forests of Johor to interview the Orang Asli who had reported seeing the ape-like animal.

As some of the sightings were in gazetted national parks, the State Government will scrutinise all applications before media teams are allowed to enter the protected areas.

"The Government will have the final say on whether to allow foreigners into our forests," Hashim said.

He said the JNPC was compiling a detailed report on information gathered to date for the scrutiny of the state executive council next month.

"Essentially, the report will establish the reliability and integrity of the sightings. We want to establish if the creature exists," he said, conceding that there were at present only the oral accounts of sightings by the Orang Asli.

Sightings of a hairy creature, reported to be about three metres tall, have trickled in over the years, especially from areas near the forest spine connecting Endau Rompin, Kota Tinggi and Tanjung Piai.

Hashim recently led a day-long expedition of park rangers and local newsmen to find physical evidence to support the claims of Bigfoot sightings.

But again, apart from the personal testimonies of the Orang Asli, nothing was found to substantiate the claims.

Still, the Johor tourism industry is eager to cash in on the Bigfoot craze.

Said Johor Tourist Guides Association chairman Jimmy Leong: "This is a boon for Johor. The news has put the State on the international tourism radar. We must maximise benefits from the publicity generated."

The sentiment was shared by Johor Tourism Action Council general manager Abdul Jabar Md Tahir, who said Bigfoot could give the tourism sector a boost.

"This will be a major draw for Johor. We are excited about the impact this could have on tourism here."

Johor Malaysian Nature Society adviser Vincent Chow said the State should cash in on the Bigfoot craze just as Scotland had on the Loch Ness monster - whose probable non-existence had never diminished its status as a tourist attraction.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Thursday/National/20060105081146/Article/index_html
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/10/06 at 11:32:48|obadiah|xx|0|86.140.68.15|From the New Straits Times (Malaysia): 6 Jan. 2006
Closing in on Bigfoot, foreign media set to descend on Johor
Chuah Bee Kim

JOHOR BARU - It could be the biggest spoof of the year, but not everyone is
scoffing at reported sightings of "Bigfoot" in the dense jungles of Kota
Tinggi.

Television stations and journalists from around the world are expected to
descend on Johor over the next few weeks to track the elusive creature.

It is learnt that BBC London has made preliminary enquiries, while several
international magazines have also contacted tour agents here and in
Singapore to cover the story.

The Johor National Parks Corporation (JNPC) has also been inundated with
calls by journalists from around the world.

"Telephone calls and emails from media organisations have been pouring in
ever since news of Bigfoot was published," said JNPC director Mohamed Hashim
Yusoff.

A Singapore-based paranormal activity group had contacted JNPC to help track
down the creature.

Researchers and trackers are also excited about the latest alleged
sightings.

"They all want to know if Bigfoot is for real," said Hashim, adding that the
TV crews and reporters were keen to venture into the forests of Johor to
interview the Orang Asli who had reported seeing the ape-like animal.

As some of the sightings were in gazetted national parks, the State
Government will scrutinise all applications before media teams are allowed
to enter the protected areas.

"The Government will have the final say on whether to allow foreigners into
our forests," Hashim said.

He said the JNPC was compiling a detailed report on information gathered to
date for the scrutiny of the state executive council next month.

"Essentially, the report will establish the reliability and integrity of the
sightings. We want to establish if the creature exists," he said, conceding
that there were at present only the oral accounts of sightings by the Orang
Asli.

Sightings of a hairy creature, reported to be about three metres tall, have
trickled in over the years, especially from areas near the forest spine
connecting Endau Rompin, Kota Tinggi and Tanjung Piai.

Hashim recently led a day-long expedition of park rangers and local newsmen
to find physical evidence to support the claims of Bigfoot sightings.

But again, apart from the personal testimonies of the Orang Asli, nothing
was found to substantiate the claims.

Still, the Johor tourism industry is eager to cash in on the Bigfoot craze.

Said Johor Tourist Guides Association chairman Jimmy Leong: "This is a boon
for Johor. The news has put the State on the international tourism radar. We
must maximise benefits from the publicity generated."

The sentiment was shared by Johor Tourism Action Council general manager
Abdul Jabar Md Tahir, who said Bigfoot could give the tourism sector a
boost.

"This will be a major draw for Johor. We are excited about the impact this
could have on tourism here."

Johor Malaysian Nature Society adviser Vincent Chow said the State should
cash in on the Bigfoot craze just as Scotland had on the Loch Ness monster -
whose probable non-existence had never diminished its status as a tourist
attraction.
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/10/06 at 12:34:56|obadiah|xx|0|86.140.68.15|Norwegian who hunted Bigfoot for over 20 years
Shahrum Sayuthi

BANDAR MUADZAM SHAH, Jan 5:
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Interest in the "Bigfoot" phenomenon is not new to Felda settler Abdul Hamid Wahab, 57.

He and a Norwegian scientist spent almost three decades searching for the elusive creature in several forested areas in Pahang and Johor from the early 1970s to the end of the 1990s.

"I first met Professor Immanuel Vigeland, who was then in his 60s, when he came to my village in Kampung Mempelas in 1972," Hamid said, when met at his home in Felda Chini 2 near here today.

"The professor was at that time on one of his expeditions into the jungle here and had stopped at my village for a friend’s wedding."

Hamid said Vigeland, who spoke fluent Malay, became his close friend and regularly visited his home. Almost all the time, he would ask Hamid to accompany him into the jungle. "He said he was impressed with my knowledge of the jungle."

The marine biologist, who was conducting shipping-related research in Tanjung Pagar, Singapore, was an avid environmentalist who spent his free time studying local flora and fauna.

MY DEAR FRIEND: Hamid showing the framed newspaper cuttings on Vigeland. The one on his left was an article in the NST in 1989 while the other was from a Norwegian newspaper.

His enviromental work had been highlighted several times by the New Straits Times and the Norwegian media during his stay here.

"But his actual passion was finding this creature which the newspapers in the past few weeks have been calling Bigfoot," said Hamid, who became a Felda settler in 1982. "Every time there was talk of a sighting, my friend would get me to accompany him into the jungle in that area."

Vigeland had started his search for Bigfoot much earlier, soon after he came to Singapore in 1958.

In 1976, he set up a biological research field station in Kota Tinggi with the help of Universiti Malaya and hired Hamid as his assistant.

This was the same area where Bigfoot was said to have been sighted recently.

"Rumours about the existence of the giant hairy creature were also heard in that area, with several Orang Asli claiming that they had seen it in the jungles at Gunung Panti, Gunung Muntaha and Gunung Sisek," said Hamid.

"The two of us spent many days in the jungle in the hope of running into it but luck was never on our side. We never even got to see the creature’s footprints."

The duo spent so much time in the jungle, especially around Gunung Panti, that the Orang Asli community there nicknamed Vigeland "Orang Putih Gunung Panti" (the white man of Gunung Panti).

BIGFOOT BOON: The reported sightings of "Bigfoot" in the jungles of Johor and the media publicity it generated have pushed up sales of masks resembling the black, hairy creature. Kenneth Lim, owner of a fancy costume outlet in a shopping complex in Johor Baru, said he sold 20 of the masks this week alone. — NST picture by Shahrul M. Zain

Hamid quit his job at the research station in 1982 to join a Felda land scheme but this did not end the duo’s quest.

Vigeland moved his shipping-related research to Kuantan port in 1989 and the two friends resumed their sojourns into the dense Pahang jungles whenever they heard stories of Bigfoot.

Hamid said Vigeland even resorted to employing a famous bomoh from Jerantut to track down the creature after a report that it had been sighted at the National Park in Kuala Tembeling.

"Honestly, I am more of a sceptic but Vigeland never wavered in his belief that the creature exists. He kept on saying that we must find it or prove it doesn’t exist."

Their last expedition in search of the creature was in 1998 in the same National Park area.

Shortly after that, Vigeland, who remained a bachelor, fell ill and returned to Oslo to recuperate. He never came back.

Hamid spent two months at his friend’s house in the Norwegian capital in 1990 and last spoke to him over the telephone in 2000.

"I wanted to call him later on but I couldn’t afford the cost of the phone call," said the father of 10.

"My friend would definitely be excited about all this talk of Bigfoot if he’s still around."|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/10/06 at 12:35:38|obadiah|xx|0|86.140.68.15|Foreign ‘Bigfoot’ accounts

JOHOR BARU, Jan 6:
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Sightings of the Bigfoot of Johor have been well documented despite scepticism today among locals.

In his 1995 book On the Track of Unknown Animals, Bernard Heuvelmans, the father of cryptozoology, a branch of zoology that looks into unknown animals, related several Bigfoot sightings in Malaysia.

He said there had been reports of hairy primitives in Malaysia for decades.

Heuvelmans, a Frenchman, died in 2001. He stated in the book that an Australian claimed to have seen a Malayan equivalent of the abominable snowman at a distance of less than 20 feet while stationed at the Seleter Royal Australian Force Base.

The RAF officer was paddling a canoe in a river that passed through the base.

At a secluded spot, he pulled ashore and was eating some fruit when he sensed a movement in the bushes.

Looking round he was shocked to see a hairy manlike creature about to step onto the river bank. Spotting the man, the creature made a cry and disappeared into the bushes.

The creature was described being "as near human as could be" and was large, ungainly proportioned and with pinkish-coloured skin.

Stuart Wavell, a BBC commentator and author of Lost World of the East devoted a whole chapter in the book to the Malayan Bigfoot.

In an interview in the Sunday Times on Dec 11, Wavell talked about the Bigfoot reports covered by his radio journalist father in colonial Malaya in the 1950s.

His father, Stewart, reported in 1953 that rubber tappers in Trolok had spotted human-like creatures up to 1.8m tall, powerfully built, covered in hair with protruding teeth.

Meanwhile, the Johor National Parks Corporation (JNPC) has created a website for Bigfoot enthusiasts to report sightings.

JNPC director Hashim Yusof said the public can log on to www.johorparks.com for the latest news. || Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/10/06 at 12:42:04|obadiah|xx|0|86.140.68.15|From the New Straits Times (Malaysia): 8 Jan. 2005
Bigfoot sighted in village in 1900s

KOTA TINGGI, Jan 7:  More documented information about the Bigfoot of Johor has come to light in the wake of renewed interest in the Malaysian equivalent of the abominable snowman.

The annals of Kampung Mawai, compiled by generations of headmen at the village, talk of the existence of the creature.

The Sejarah Mawai Lama Sebelum dan Selepas Perang Dunia Ke-2 relates how the pioneer settlers of the village named it "Mawai" after seeing hairy creatures which they referred to as "Mawas".

Biodiversity researcher Vincent Chow said a group of explorers from Jambi in Indonesia had, in the early 1900s, encountered the hairy creatures where the village now stands.

Their leader, Mohamad Jambi, related that the creature took refuge under a palm tree called daun payung when it rained.

Mohamad Jambi, who was later made the penghulu of Mukim Ulu Sedili by Sultan Ibrahim, decided to build a village using the daun payung and named it Kampung Mawas.

Over time, it became known as Kampung Mawai.

According to the historical account, villagers who went to collect rattan along rivers deep in the jungle often sighted the creatures.

The villagers had observed that the creature always dwelt near rivers or streams where it hunted mouse deer and jungle fowl.

They also observed that the Mawas would bring food to water to wash off the blood.

Meanwhile, Chow said he was contacted yesterday by the Korean Broadcasting Agency which expressed interest in doing a documentary on Bigfoot.

"I will be forwarding this message to State Tourism and Environment Committee chairman Freddie Long."

Interest in Bigfoot was sparked when three workers building a fish pond in the village claimed they had seen a family of two adults and a child.

A member of the Johor Malaysian Nature Society carrying out a fish survey nearby took photographs of the footprints measuring about 45cm long besides observing that the creature was about three metres tall.

Earlier the Singapore media, British Broadcasting Corporation and Reuters had shown interest in the Bigfoot sightings and efforts to track the creature.

In Muar last night, Health Minister Datuk Dr Chua Soi Lek urged the Johor Government to solve the mystery of the Bigfoot sightings.

He said the recent sightings, which were given wide publicity in the media, would boost Johor’s tourism industry.

Dr Chua said he used to receive numerous reports of Bigfoot sightings.|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/10/06 at 12:46:01|obadiah|xx|0|86.140.68.15|Claims Of Bigfoot Sightings Excite S'poreans

Jackson Sawatan
January 09, 2006

SINGAPORE, Jan 9 (Bernama) -- Sightings of "a family of Bigfoot" in the forest of Johor have stirred interest among Singaporeans, in particular members of a group who called themselves Singapore Paranormal Investigators (SPI).

In two weeks, about 20 members of the group would be heading to Johor for a two-day recce trip to determine how best to plan future expeditions to track down the mythical animal, The New Paper reported.

A member of the group, Toh Seong Fai, told the evening paper that he had been on the Bigfoot trail since the past few years after hearing from locals about the sightings of the beasts or its footprints.

"If there were only one or two sightings, then maybe there's nothing, but there have been sightings again and again over the years, not just in Johor but elsewhere.

"What more, the sightings are by native people who are very capable of differentiating between ordinary jungle animals and something extraordinary," he said in the report.

The first reported sighting of Bigfoot in Johor was 26 years ago and since then there were numerous claims of similar sightings by villagers.

In November last year, three fish farm workers claimed they saw two hairy beasts about three metres tall and a smaller one near Kota Tinggi.

There were also claims of sightings of "Bigfoot" footprints at a swamp near Sungai Sedili in Kampung Mawai, Kota Tinggi.

Toh, who will be heading the recce expedition, said during his trips to Johor he had spoken to locals about the animal but he had not gathered any evidence.

"We will be very scientific and logical. If we don't have sufficient info, we will not make any conclusions," he said, adding that he was aware the trip could be just another "wild goose chase".

He said they would be equipped with special instruments that could help them in their search such as sound enhancers that could pick up ultrasound, night-vision binoculars and metal detectors to measure magnetic fields for abnormal readings.

http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/state_news/news.php?id=174624&cat=st
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/10/06 at 12:46:22|obadiah|xx|0|86.140.68.15|Home of wild man shuns tourists for recovery
(Xinhua)
Updated: 2006-01-09 13:55

The Shennongjia Nature Reserve, home of the legendary of wild man known as "Bigfoot" in central China suspended tourism services from January 4 to March 25 for "ecological recovery," 13 years after its opening to the public.

Wang Haitao, a local forestry official, said on Monday that the suspension will help protect the more than 1,000 kinds of wild animals, the eco-environment, and the forest and vegetation in the nature reserve.

Dubbed as a gene bank, the nature reserve in the western part of Hubei Province covers an area of 3,250 square kilometers. It was accepted by the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization as one of the world's biosphere preservation zones in 1990.

The nature reserve was named after Shen Nong, a legendary figure who tasted hundreds of kinds of medicinal herbs to look for medicine.

The mountains in the nature reserve have attracted an increasing number of tourists after traces of "Bigfoot" were spotted. The legendary wild man remains a mystery today.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2006-01/09/content_510627.htm
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/10/06 at 12:48:32|obadiah|xx|0|86.140.68.15|Bigfoot sighted in village in 1900s
KOTA TINGGI, Jan 7:
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More documented information about the Bigfoot of Johor has come to light in the wake of renewed interest in the Malaysian equivalent of the abominable snowman.

The annals of Kampung Mawai, compiled by generations of headmen at the village, talk of the existence of the creature.

The Sejarah Mawai Lama Sebelum dan Selepas Perang Dunia Ke-2 relates how the pioneer settlers of the village named it "Mawai" after seeing hairy creatures which they referred to as "Mawas".

Biodiversity researcher Vincent Chow said a group of explorers from Jambi in Indonesia had, in the early 1900s, encountered the hairy creatures where the village now stands.

Their leader, Mohamad Jambi, related that the creature took refuge under a palm tree called daun payung when it rained.

Mohamad Jambi, who was later made the penghulu of Mukim Ulu Sedili by Sultan Ibrahim, decided to build a village using the daun payung and named it Kampung Mawas.

Over time, it became known as Kampung Mawai.

According to the historical account, villagers who went to collect rattan along rivers deep in the jungle often sighted the creatures.

The villagers had observed that the creature always dwelt near rivers or streams where it hunted mouse deer and jungle fowl.

They also observed that the Mawas would bring food to water to wash off the blood.

Meanwhile, Chow said he was contacted yesterday by the Korean Broadcasting Agency which expressed interest in doing a documentary on Bigfoot.

"I will be forwarding this message to State Tourism and Environment Committee chairman Freddie Long."

Interest in Bigfoot was sparked when three workers building a fish pond in the village claimed they had seen a family of two adults and a child.

A member of the Johor Malaysian Nature Society carrying out a fish survey nearby took photographs of the footprints measuring about 45cm long besides observing that the creature was about three metres tall.

Earlier the Singapore media, British Broadcasting Corporation and Reuters had shown interest in the Bigfoot sightings and efforts to track the creature.

In Muar last night, Health Minister Datuk Dr Chua Soi Lek urged the Johor Government to solve the mystery of the Bigfoot sightings.

He said the recent sightings, which were given wide publicity in the media, would boost Johor’s tourism industry.

Dr Chua said he used to receive numerous reports of Bigfoot sightings.
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/10/06 at 13:38:32|obadiah|xx|0|86.140.68.15|Claims Of Bigfoot Sightings Excite S'poreans


By Jackson Sawatan

SINGAPORE, Jan 9 (Bernama) -- Sightings of "a family of Bigfoot" in the forest of Johor have stirred interest among Singaporeans, in particular members of a group who called themselves Singapore Paranormal Investigators (SPI).

In two weeks, about 20 members of the group would be heading to Johor for a two-day recce trip to determine how best to plan future expeditions to track down the mythical animal, The New Paper reported.

A member of the group, Toh Seong Fai, told the evening paper that he had been on the Bigfoot trail since the past few years after hearing from locals about the sightings of the beasts or its footprints.

"If there were only one or two sightings, then maybe there's nothing, but there have been sightings again and again over the years, not just in Johor but elsewhere.

"What more, the sightings are by native people who are very capable of differentiating between ordinary jungle animals and something extraordinary," he said in the report.

The first reported sighting of Bigfoot in Johor was 26 years ago and since then there were numerous claims of similar sightings by villagers.

In November last year, three fish farm workers claimed they saw two hairy beasts about three metres tall and a smaller one near Kota Tinggi.

There were also claims of sightings of "Bigfoot" footprints at a swamp near Sungai Sedili in Kampung Mawai, Kota Tinggi.

Toh, who will be heading the recce expedition, said during his trips to Johor he had spoken to locals about the animal but he had not gathered any evidence.

"We will be very scientific and logical. If we don't have sufficient info, we will not make any conclusions," he said, adding that he was aware the trip could be just another "wild goose chase".

He said they would be equipped with special instruments that could help them in their search such as sound enhancers that could pick up ultrasound, night-vision binoculars and metal detectors to measure magnetic fields for abnormal readings.

|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/11/06 at 08:39:48|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.100.230|Bigfoot where are you?  
S'poreans going to Johor jungles. Their mission: To find mythical creature
By Teh Jen Lee

January 10, 2006      


THIS is Bigfoot sighting season.

 
With the help of this instrument that measures magnetic fields, Mr Toh Seong Fai - a member of SPI - plans to hunt for Johor's Bigfoot.

The latest was reported just across the Causeway last month.

And in November last year, three fish farm workers apparently saw two hairy beasts about 3m tall and a smaller, younger one, near Kota Tinggi.

These unconfirmed sightings have excited a group of Singaporeans.

In two weeks, 20 of them, members of the Singapore Paranormal Investigators (SPI), will head to the jungles of Johor.

Their two-day recce trip will determine how best to plan future expeditions.

SPI is a non-profit club that researches paranormal phenomena.

 
Bigfoot in a Hollywood movie.  
It has 50 paying members and over 10,000 members registered on its online forum.

The team members will be hand-
picked for their physical fitness as they will be staying overnight in the forests.

Mr Hashim Yusof, director of Johor National Parks Corp, said that SPI sent an e-mail request on 21 Dec to interview those who have reportedly seen Bigfoot.

He said: 'We thanked them for their interest and are in the midst of getting official clearance from the authorities.

'People can come unofficially as tourists, but any findings must be verified through the proper channels.'

Mr Hashim said the first Bigfoot sighting in Johor was reported 26 years ago, but the latest sightings have generated the most interest.

IS SOMETHING REALLY AFOOT?

Mr Toh Seong Fai aims to find that out.

The 32-year-old, who works in logistics, is one of SPI's Elite Members. He will be heading the recce trip.

For the past few years, he has been going on his own to Kota Tinggi once every few months on the Bigfoot trail.

He has spoken to locals about the most likely spots where Bigfoot may appear.

He has not gathered any evidence yet, but he is not giving up.

He said: 'I believe people are born curious about things they don't know. But many take the easy way out, they just accept information from sources without verifying it for themselves.

'I prefer to be active. I want to know if this mythical creature is real or whether it's a case of mistaken identity.'

Indeed, his interest is more enduring than what may be described as the recent King Kong craze.

Mr Toh said he specialises in cryptozoology - the study of animals 'whose existence has been made aware of, but whose actual identities are not verified'.

He said: 'I've been into cryptozoology since I was in primary school. I read about the Loch Ness monster and got interested.'

FUR, TEETH MARKS

With more people joining the search, he hopes they will be able to gather tangible evidence like fur or even teeth marks on half-eaten food.

Yet he is aware the trip could be just another wild goose chase.

'We will be scientific and logical. If we don't have sufficient info, we will not make any conclusions,' he said.

Similarly, SPI president Kenny Fong, 36, who is based in Macau, told The New Paper: 'As professional investigators, our aim is to verify and search for clues just as they are.'

Added the assistant professor: 'This means we do not come with any biased wishful thinking. We want to be as neutral as possible when examining any traces of artifacts collected.'

Another SPI Elite Member, Mr Douglas Lim, 29, an IT administrator, described some of the special equipment that may be used for the trip:


Sound enhancer which can pick up ultrasound that is undetectable to human ears


Infra-red or night-vision binoculars


Metal detector to measure magnetic fields for abnormal readings

These gadgets cost over $800 in total.

But when it comes to footprints, Mr Lim wants to see it with his own eyes.

SPI secretary Lee Qing Yu, 24, a lab technician, said they will make moulds of any footprints so that these can be examined by experts.

Dr Fong said it's possible to find out the behavioural pattern of a creature based on its footprints.

'For example, are they multiple, social or solitary? With luck, we may observe a trail of footprints.

'It doesn't make sense if there is only a pair of them out of nowhere and going nowhere. We may be able to trace a trail all the way to their cave. That would be like hitting the jackpot!' he said, barely able to contain his enthusiasm.

He used to have an unusual hobby of observing footprints on sandy beaches.

'It was like a guessing game. You can see if the footprints are by a loving couple or a family, someone wandering around or in a hurry.

'When it comes to Bigfoot, the footprint can give clues to the weight, bone shape and size of the animal.'

After piecing together any evidence-based clues they find, SPI hopes to draw a conclusion or remark whether Bigfoot exists or not.

Said Mr Toh: 'If there were only one or two sightings, then maybe there's nothing. But there have been sightings again and again over the years, not just in Johor but elsewhere.

'What's more, the sightings are by native people who are very capable of differentiating between ordinary jungle animals and something extraordinary.'

What do their families and friends say about all this?

Said Dr Fong: 'Those who do not know me very well, their jaws will drop. It's the same reaction when I tell them how I rode a donkey for six hours in rocky mountains 2,300m above sea-level.'

This happened last Christmas when he was looking for a Biblical location in Jordan.

'I could have been dead many times during the climb if I had fallen over the cliff in the gorges. But this is me. Shopping in London or sightseeing at the Eiffel Tower makes me yawn.'

Parks boss invites media to seek out truth

THE reports of Bigfoot sightings in Johor mostly came from the forests of Tanjung Piai, Mersing, Kahang, Endau Rompin National Park and Kota Tinggi.

In the November sighting by three fish farm workers, footprints of various sizes were found in the area.

The biggest one, which looked like a triangular depression, was 45cm long. Its pictures were published in the Malaysian press.

About a week ago, Johor National Parks director Hashim Yusof took a group of 50 park rangers and journalists to the Sungai Madek forest reserve. They went around asking locals about the reported sightings.

Mr Hashim told Reuters that he was keeping an open mind and wanted to enlist scientists to prove whether the beast was fact or fantasy.

'We are collecting a database on the sightings. We want to uncover the truth about this creature and also quash any rumour that may scare away visitors to the national park.'

Bigfoot sightings have been reported in the wilderness all over the world. In the US, every state except Delaware and Hawaii has had a sighting.

It has many names including Sasquatch, Bokbokwolli, Yeti and the Abominable Snowman.

Many pranksters in the past have admitted to faking Bigfoot evidence.

Tracks are the most popular form of evidence collected, but the problem is that there is no consistency in the tracks.

Hair samples have turned out to be from other animals.


http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,4136,100137,00.html|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Richard_F|richard@cfz.org.uk|01/11/06 at 10:31:05|richard_f|xx|0|86.131.100.230|I wish they wouldn't call it bigfoot when it's in Asia. Yeti would be more appropreate or the Malaysian name.|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/12/06 at 17:29:04|obadiah|xx|0|86.142.245.167|Big Foot sighted in Kota Tinggi

JOHOR BARU: Talk of a Big Foot sighting in Kota Tinggi has attracted the attention of both locals as well as the media.  

Three workers who were building a fishpond in Kampung Mawai claimed they saw a huge furry creature, standing almost 2.5m tall.  

Malaysia Nature Society Johor branch member Vincent Chow said an MNS member who happened to be there found a huge footprint, between 40cm and 50cm long, in the mud.  

He said the orang asli called the creature Jarang Gigi as there were gaps in between its teeth.  

State National Parks Corporation director Hashim Yusoff dismissed the claims as baseless as there was no scientific evidence to show that the creature actually existed in the jungles of Johor.  || Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|billgreenctbigfoot|billgreenctbigfoot@sbcglobal.net|01/18/06 at 02:33:26|billgreenctbigfoot|xx|0|69.183.14.199|hi everyone any newer updates about the malaysia sasquatch encounters this week. bill :)|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/24/06 at 11:00:11|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.99.53|From the Malay Mail: 23 Jan. 2006
Local experts want priority in the hunt

JOHOR BARU, Jan 23 - With reports of Bigfoot sightings creating a stir
overseas, local scientists want to be given first shot at carrying out an
expedition to determine its existence.

International media have been carrying reports and comments about the
sightings and some overseas groups have asked permission to enter the
jungles of Johor in search of the creature.

Some international organisations have lauded the State Government's recent
pledge carry out a scientific study on the creature's existence.

A local animal science expert said yesterday, although there were many
foreign requests from foreign experts and media agencies to help in the
search, the State Government should give local experts a go at it first.

Universiti Putra Malaysia's Animal Science Department head Professor Dr
Azahar Kassim said, with numerous Bigfoot sightings reported and physical
evidence like footprints and hair samples, it was high time Johor launched a
full-scale search for the creature.

"I personally would like to join the expedition. I am sure many other
experts in the country are looking forward to it, too, so I hope the Johor
Government and other authorities go ahead with it."

The US-based Bigfoot Field Researchers Organisation (BFRO), on its website,
had praised Malaysia for its willingness to openly investigate the Bigfoot
sightings.

It stated that Malaysia's findings would be relevant to American/Canadian
research because the Bigfoot seen there were believed to be descendants of a
species that originated in South-East Asia. It pointed out that the
Malaysian Government's supportive attitude in wanting to investigate the
sightings was a first for any country.

Dr Azahar, a veterinarian by profession, said that all researchers needed
was some hair or blood of the creature Bigfoot and he could run a DNA
analysis on it.

"Such a find would revolutionise the scientific community's understanding of
human existence in the world."

Dr Azahar said Malaysia was ideal for the Bigfoot study, compared to the US
or China, as the search would be over a smaller area.

He said one of the reasons rare animals like the Bigfoot were being sighted
in recent years could be the onset of development.

"As we press forward in the virgin jungles areas with our plantations, the
animals could be exposed to new food alternatives, such as oil palm fruits,
bananas and coconuts.

"The shy creatures could have tasted these foods and acquired a taste for
them, so they are now frequently venturing out," he said. - NST

|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/26/06 at 08:38:16|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.99.53|Bigfoot near Gunung Panti?


JOHOR BARU, Mon.
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The discovery of several huge footprints by a villager in Panti has caused a flurry of excitement among Bigfoot believers.

The 50cm-long footprints (inset, picture above) caused by a single creature that had apparently walked out of a muddy stretch of the jungle area, were found on a recently-tarred road leading to smallholdings located at the foot of Gunung Panti.

Bio-dioversity researcher Vincent Chow, who yesterday led a team of eight Bigfoot enthusiasts, including a professional from England, to investigate the footprints, said there was a strong possibility they were made by a Bigfoot creature.

"We traced the footprints up a hill and found more footprints on the muddy floor of the jungle. However, recent heavy rains have smudged the outline of the footprints.

"From their depth, we can judge that the creature which made them could have been about four times a man’s weight."

Chow said the manner in which the creature had traversed the jungle was humanlike.

"Except for a few broken twigs, there was no damage to the plants as the creature seemed to have followed the jungle path carefully, even ducking below thorny creepers. Had an elephant passed through the area, there would have been extensive damage to the vegetation."

Chow said he interviewed a villager who stated he was convinced that some creature had been prowling around the Kampung Temenim Lama area in Panti.

The villager said he heard pots and pans being moved about in his kitchen at the back of the house one night.

He was too scared to check the disturbances then, but in the morning he found the pots turned upside down and the rice spilt.

Meanwhile, a 68-year-old tanker lorry driver claimed he had a close encounter with a Bigfoot family in the 1990s on the Masai-Kong Kong road.

P. Palaniandy said he had left for Kulai after filling up his tanker with crude palm oil at a depot in Kong Kong about 8.30am.

"Just as I was going up a slope, I saw the creatures crossing the road in single file.

"They were going from the Masai side of the jungle to the Kong Kong side."

He said the creatures were between five feet and seven feet tall and heavily built. The long arms of the biggest creature were as thick as a man’s thigh.

Palaniandy said he slowed down and was about five metres away from the creatures when they walked into the jungle.

He said they had thick foreheads, bushy raised eyebrows, large protruding jaws, big hair-covered ears, raised chests and large protruding buttocks. The creatures did not turn to look at him.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Tuesday/National/20060124082447/Article/index_html|| Johor to mount hunt for 'bigfoot'|davinian|cfz@davinian.co.uk|01/27/06 at 16:01:50|davinian|xx|0|82.35.173.13|[b]Johor to mount hunt for 'bigfoot'[/b]

[b]The government of the Malaysian state of Johor says it is to organise an attempt to track down a legendary ape man reputed to roam its jungles.[/b]

After a spate of sightings, Johor's chief minister says he will launch an official search for the beast, dubbed Malaysia's Big Foot by local media.

Malaysians have a long-standing love affair with anything big.

The obsessions resulted in record-breaking buildings, bridges, even piles of food.

Now they have gone crazy for Big Foot, known in local legend as Hantu Jarang Gigi - ghosts with widely spaced teeth.

The country has been gripped since November when three fishery workers claimed to have seen a Big Foot family that left footprints up to 45cm long.

Conservationists say that damage to branches suggested that the creatures could have been up to 3m tall.

There were similar sightings by members of the local indigenous minority who said they had seen a 'King Kong' covered in black fur.

Now, the chief minister of Johor, Abdul Ghani Othman, says a proper scientific expedition will track Big Foot's big foot-prints.

He is setting up two teams, one of which will scour likely locations, including the densely forested Endau Rompin National Park.

Mr Abdul Ghani says Malaysia is the first country in the world to openly welcome such an attempt. However, he says it is important that the expedition should not harm or frighten the creatures.

Story, [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4650388.stm]BBC[/url].|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/30/06 at 08:48:57|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.99.41|From ABC News: 29 Jan. 2006
Bigfoot in Malaysia?
Malaysian Government Is Sponsoring a Hunt for the Legendary Monster

Jan. 29, 2006 - Amid reports of Bigfoot sightings in the jungles of southern
Malaysia, the Malaysian government is trying to track down the legendary
monster.
Headlines in Kuala Lumpur have been filled in recent weeks with news of the
sightings. The local government is taking the reports so seriously that it's
launching what may be the world's first government-sponsored effort to track
down the mysterious creature.
Park officials are even offering Bigfoot sighting tours.
To many people, Bigfoot is the stuff of nightmarish folklore. He's been
described by hundreds of alleged eyewitnesses as an ape-like creature that
stands nearly eight feet tall and weighs more than 500 pounds. His name
comes from the 17-inch-long footprints he leaves behind.
Some Canadians say the giant is real. They call him Sasquatch. Just six
months ago residents of the small town of Teslin reported seeing a big
shaggy creature that left behind a stinky tuft of hair and huge footprints.
In the Himalayas he's an "abominable snowman" called a Yeti.
Australian aboriginals call him a Yowie, but his existence has not been
proved.
In the 1987 movie "Harry and the Hendersons," Bigfoot wasn't the scary
monster we've all heard about. He turned out to be a friendly giant that
became a beloved part of the family.
The most famous caught-on-camera footage, from 1967, was debunked after the
family of the photographer admitted it was someone in an ape suit.
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/31/06 at 10:08:34|obadiah|xx|0|86.143.199.32|Singapore team told to delay search for 'Bigfoot'

January 28, 2006

A team from Singapore has been told to postpone its expedition to search for a purported "Bigfoot" creature in the Johor forests of Malaysia, news reports said Saturday.
The Singapore Paranormal Investigators (SPI) told The Straits Times that Malaysian authorities requested that they delay the Jan 21 trip to hunt for a large, ape-like beast.

The team of 20 planned to inspect footprints and bite marks on fruits to solve the mystery reported since November in the Malaysia media.

Three creatures, two of which were three metres tall, are claimed to have been spotted. A trail of 50-centimetre-long footprints was discovered recently in Panti.

Experts do not dismiss the possibility that such creatures exist, but most consider it improbable.

Toh Seong Fai, SPI vice-president, said that the most widely accepted theory is that Bigfoot is a descendant of the giant primate species, Gigantopithecus Blackai.

Remains of this animal found in Vietnam and China date back between 100,000 and two million years ago.

Similar sightings have been reported in wilderness areas around the world, including the so-called bigfoot in North America, the Yeti in Tibet and the Yowie in Australia.

Toh told the newspaper the theory that Bigfoot could be the evolutionary "missing link" between ape and man is not so far-fetched.

Many experts consider the possibility of Bigfoot's existence unlikely.

Research has shown that only large populations of animals can reproduce and sustain themselves as a species, said Associate Professor Rudolf Meier, a biological sciences expert at the National University of Singapore.

Others are hopeful.

"I would love it to be scientifically true," Bernard Harrison, former chief of Wildlife Reserves Singapore, was quoted as saying.
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|01/31/06 at 10:12:42|obadiah|xx|0|86.143.199.32|http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article341928.ece

 Malaysia launches hunt for 'Bigfoot' apeman after sightings in  
rainforest
By Jan McGirk in Bangkok
Published: 30 January 2006

The Malaysian state of Johor is organising an official search for one  
of its most famous and elusive inhabitants: the legendary apeman  
Bigfoot.

Local authorities are planning to allow scientists to set camera  
traps deep in the rainforests in an attempt to verify recent  
purported sightings, which enthusiasts claim prove the existence of  
the fabled primate.

The hairy hominids are known by a variety of names around the world:  
bigfoot, sasquatch, yeti or the abominable snowman. But Malaysia,  
where tribal people call the creatures siamang, mawas, or hantu  
jarang gigi, ("snaggle-toothed ghost"), will be the first country  
openly to endorse an official attempt to track them down.

Johor's chief minister, Abdul Ghani Othman, said the state was  
prompted to seek physical evidence of the animals after a spate of  
sightings late last year, when an outsized footprint found in the mud  
at one wildlife reserve - measuring 45cm, equivalent to a man's size  
20 shoe - and broken branches overhead suggested that, if the animal  
reared up on its hind legs, it would measure between 8 and 10ft tall.

Malaysia has been gripped by Bigfoot fever since November when, just  
weeks before the release of Peter Jackson's epic King Kong in Kuala  
Lumpur's cinemas, three labourers digging a fish pond said they  
glimpsed a Bigfoot family of three on a river bank in Kota Tinggi  
reserve.

They dropped their tools and fled but returned with an educated  
colleague to inspect and photograph the enormous footprints. A clump  
of brown fur, drenched with sour-smelling sweat, was also said to be  
recovered from the site, along with scattered fish bones.

Last August, a frog catcher from the Orang Asli tribe claimed he  
encountered an auburn-haired tropical yeti scratching itself on a  
tree. Hamid Mohd Ali, 31, stopped about 30ft short of the creature  
which was twice his height.

"I could see its teeth but I did not wait to find out if it was  
smiling at me or whether it saw me as its meal," he said. "In this  
year alone, four villagers have claimed to have seen it and we think  
this is because of the shrinking jungle."

And while the Johor authorities have, unsurprisingly, been accused of  
hyping the Bigfoot mystery in a bid to entice wealthy eco-tourists  
from abroad, the theories are backed by some wildlife experts.

Jane Goodall, one of the world's most distinguished primatologists,  
is an unashamed Bigfoot and yeti enthusiast. "You'll be amazed when I  
tell you that I'm sure that they exist," she said in one interview.  
"The existence of hominids of this sort is a very real probability."
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|02/01/06 at 21:24:40|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.99.207|From The Telegraph (London): 30 January 2006
Malaysia launches hunt for 'Bigfoot' apeman after sightings in rainforest
By Jan McGirk in Bangkok

The Malaysian state of Johor is organising an official search for one of its
most famous and elusive inhabitants: the legendary apeman Bigfoot.
Local authorities are planning to allow scientists to set camera traps deep
in the rainforests in an attempt to verify recent purported sightings, which
enthusiasts claim prove the existence of the fabled primate.
The hairy hominids are known by a variety of names around the world:
bigfoot, sasquatch, yeti or the abominable snowman. But Malaysia, where
tribal people call the creatures siamang, mawas, or hantu jarang gigi,
("snaggle-toothed ghost"), will be the first country openly to endorse an
official attempt to track them down.
Johor's chief minister, Abdul Ghani Othman, said the state was prompted to
seek physical evidence of the animals after a spate of sightings late last
year, when an outsized footprint found in the mud at one wildlife reserve -
measuring 45cm, equivalent to a man's size 20 shoe - and broken branches
overhead suggested that, if the animal reared up on its hind legs, it would
measure between 8 and 10ft tall.
Malaysia has been gripped by Bigfoot fever since November when, just weeks
before the release of Peter Jackson's epic King Kong in Kuala Lumpur's
cinemas, three labourers digging a fish pond said they glimpsed a Bigfoot
family of three on a river bank in Kota Tinggi reserve.
They dropped their tools and fled but returned with an educated colleague to
inspect and photograph the enormous footprints. A clump of brown fur,
drenched with sour-smelling sweat, was also said to be recovered from the
site, along with scattered fish bones.
Last August, a frog catcher from the Orang Asli tribe claimed he encountered
an auburn-haired tropical yeti scratching itself on a tree. Hamid Mohd Ali,
31, stopped about 30ft short of the creature which was twice his height.
"I could see its teeth but I did not wait to find out if it was smiling at
me or whether it saw me as its meal," he said. "In this year alone, four
villagers have claimed to have seen it and we think this is because of the
shrinking jungle."
And while the Johor authorities have, unsurprisingly, been accused of hyping
the Bigfoot mystery in a bid to entice wealthy eco-tourists from abroad, the
theories are backed by some wildlife experts.
Jane Goodall, one of the world's most distinguished primatologists, is an
unashamed Bigfoot and yeti enthusiast. "You'll be amazed when I tell you
that I'm sure that they exist," she said in one interview. "The existence of
hominids of this sort is a very real probability."
The Malaysian state of Johor is organising an official search for one of its
most famous and elusive inhabitants: the legendary apeman Bigfoot.
Local authorities are planning to allow scientists to set camera traps deep
in the rainforests in an attempt to verify recent purported sightings, which
enthusiasts claim prove the existence of the fabled primate.
The hairy hominids are known by a variety of names around the world:
bigfoot, sasquatch, yeti or the abominable snowman. But Malaysia, where
tribal people call the creatures siamang, mawas, or hantu jarang gigi,
("snaggle-toothed ghost"), will be the first country openly to endorse an
official attempt to track them down.
Johor's chief minister, Abdul Ghani Othman, said the state was prompted to
seek physical evidence of the animals after a spate of sightings late last
year, when an outsized footprint found in the mud at one wildlife reserve -
measuring 45cm, equivalent to a man's size 20 shoe - and broken branches
overhead suggested that, if the animal reared up on its hind legs, it would
measure between 8 and 10ft tall.
Malaysia has been gripped by Bigfoot fever since November when, just weeks
before the release of Peter Jackson's epic King Kong in Kuala Lumpur's
cinemas, three labourers digging a fish pond said they glimpsed a Bigfoot
family of three on a river bank in Kota Tinggi reserve.
They dropped their tools and fled but returned with an educated colleague to
inspect and photograph the enormous footprints. A clump of brown fur,
drenched with sour-smelling sweat, was also said to be recovered from the
site, along with scattered fish bones.
Last August, a frog catcher from the Orang Asli tribe claimed he encountered
an auburn-haired tropical yeti scratching itself on a tree. Hamid Mohd Ali,
31, stopped about 30ft short of the creature which was twice his height.
"I could see its teeth but I did not wait to find out if it was smiling at
me or whether it saw me as its meal," he said. "In this year alone, four
villagers have claimed to have seen it and we think this is because of the
shrinking jungle."
And while the Johor authorities have, unsurprisingly, been accused of hyping
the Bigfoot mystery in a bid to entice wealthy eco-tourists from abroad, the
theories are backed by some wildlife experts.
Jane Goodall, one of the world's most distinguished primatologists, is an
unashamed Bigfoot and yeti enthusiast. "You'll be amazed when I tell you
that I'm sure that they exist," she said in one interview. "The existence of
hominids of this sort is a very real probability."
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|02/07/06 at 17:55:34|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.101.48|Ridicule and Racism in Naming Malaysia’s “Bigfoot”

Now in its fourth month, Asia’s latest “Bigfoot” flap keeps on rolling. What can be learned from how the media is handling the story via the evolving names being used? Are there the hints of ridicule and racism, in the routine being revealed?

The Malaysian “Bigfoot,” as a labeled cryptid, is slowly merging with various attributed “local” designations that are slipping into the stories. The name that is being picked most often reveals a developing story that moves the examination of the sightings from a more tangible cryptozoological landscape into a media-friendly “legendary status,” with a hint of xenophobia.

At the start of the year, one name you might have heard in associate with the current Malaysian accounts, beyond “Bigfoot,” was “Mawas.” For several years, Mawas has been a term for unknown, man-sized hairy hominoids seen in Malaysia. Of course, what is intriguing is that Mawas in nearby Indonesia is most often related to discussions about the orangutan, (Pongo pygmaeus), known from ranges in the wild in Sumatra (Pongo pygmaeus abelii) and Borneo (Pongo pygmaeus pygmaeus).

It is interesting to track the evolution of the recent use of “Mawas.” On January 3th, for example, the Seoul Times reported that following a one-day expedition, led by Johor National Parks director Hashim Yusof, he said he was compiling “a database on Bigfoot or orang mawas sightings at various spots.”

One wire service dispatch on January 8th, distributed widely, quoted director Hashim Yusoff as observing: “My personal feeling is that there is a possibility it could be what we call in Malaysia the ‘mawas’ … more of a primate.”

Then, beginning the middle of January 2006, the term “Mawas” was mostly being employed in lists. Discussing the Malaysian sightings, the media has done this in two ways. One is by noting the “tribal people call the creatures Siamang, Mawas, or Hantu Jarang Gigi.” The other is by saying “Bigfoot, also known as Sasquatch, Yeti or Mawas.” (As already mentioned on Cryptomundo, the siamang (Hylobates syndactylus) is a known ape, a form of gibbon, and inappropriate within such a list.)

While making waves in the news in January 2000 as Mawas, I don’t see any evidence that this name - which has appeared only about 20 times recently - will become more frequently used to characterize the current 2005-2006 sightings and expeditions.

The same is true for the term more popular during the 1960s. “Orang Dalam” or “Interior Man,” for the very tall, ten foot hairy Malaysian hominoids may be more correct, but it has not been used except by some blogs, including this one.

That leaves us with the name that is being more commonly seen and heard in broadcast media, newspaper and online mentions - “Hantu Jarang Gigi” that is translated as “Snaggle-Toothed Ghost.” This moniker usually allows the reporter to either make fun of the “toothy” name, and/or have the creature appear to live in a spooky world of phantoms and folklore. A certain kind of distance (”their legends call it”) exists when labeling these encounters with the Hantu Jarang Gigi or “Snaggle-Toothed Ghost.” Over thirty article appearances of this usage.

The current typical radio or news story, therefore, is beginning to characterize these hairy hominoids in more and more generic ways. Let’s look at two current examples, one politically liberal, the other conservative.

National Public Radio’s “Living On Earth,” on February 3, 2006, did a report entitled “Is Big Foot back? Maybe in Malaysia.” The headline writer for Rachel Gotbaum’s report did engage in the small but routine error of making “Bigfoot” into two words. For the record, NPR’s report is interesting, historically, for being straightforward enough, insightful about the habitat, and, well, for being on NPR. Watch what “name” Gotbaum gives for the creatures.

Here is the partial transcript of Rachel Gotbaum’s “Note on Emerging Science” report:

For several generations, indigenous groups in southern Malaysia have reported the existence of a ten-foot tall, hairy, ape-like creature that walks on two legs. Amid several recent sightings and almost daily media headlines, local government officials have decided to investigate the Bigfoot rumors. The habitat of choice for the Asian Bigfoot is Endau-Rompin National Park, a rainforest roughly the size of the island of Singapore known for its monkeys and gibbons, but nothing that could possibly be confused with the giant biped reported.

For the indigenous people of Endau-Rompin, Bigfoot is nothing new. For generations they called the creature the “snaggle-toothed ghost” in folklore and tribal history. Government officials from the state of Johor plan to send two teams of scientists to scour the rainforest in search of the elusive Asian Bigfoot. One team is on a mission to track him down. If they find him, the other team intends to study him. And just in case the government needs some help, 20 members of the Singapore Paranormal Investigators group are lending their special expertise to the search to find out if the truth is really out there.

“For generations…in folklore and tribal history”? Where do they find such “facts”?

Meanwhile, in the February 11th, 2006, issue of World Magazine, there’s this tidbit, showing how this “new” name for this cryptid is being distributed beyond the usual parameters:

On the prowl

Based on the eyewitness accounts of a Malaysian local, scientists in the Pacific nation are heading into the countryside on a government-funded expedition to search for Bigfoot. Since the reported sighting of a 10-foot ape, Bigfoot talk has dominated local newspapers. Jungle natives have told stories about large apes for generations, though they’ve been called the “Snaggle-Toothed Ghost,” not Bigfoot, Yeti, or his North American cousin, the Sasquatch.

“Jungle natives”? “Snaggle-Toothed Ghost”? Oh come on.

|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|02/18/06 at 22:27:34|obadiah|xx|0|86.140.68.23|Society Claims To Have Scientific Evidence Of Bigfoot Colony

Mohd Haikal Isa
February 18, 2006

JOHOR BAHARU, Feb 18 (Bernama) -- The Johor Wildlife Protection Society said it has "scientific evidence" to prove the existence of Bigfoot whose reported sightings recently in the Johor jungles have excited the world's media.

Not just one Bigfoot but a whole colony of the giant, hairy creatures which the society named "Orang Lenggor" (Lenggor People) as one was spotted in an area by that name, said the society's secretary Tay Teng Hwa.

"We will make public the evidence soon," he said today.

He said a member of the society had studied the creatures for six years and interacted directly with the colony.

"The adult creatures are between 10 and 12 feet tall while their children are 6 to 7 footers. Seventy per cent of the Orang Lenggor have a human appearance but the rest resemble apes," he said.

Tay declined to reveal the location of the Bigfoot colony or the type of "scientific evidence" in the possession of the society.

The claim by the society followed a statement by Johor Menteri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman that he was convinced about the existence of Bigfoot based on information provided by Orang Asli.

Tay said the society decided to reveal its discovery because foreigners armed with sophisticated equipment were entering the Johor jungles to track down Bigfoot without the knowledge of the state government.

"We are worried these foreigners might find Bigfoot and then announce to the world as their discovery," he said.

Relating the background to the society's study of the creatures, he said a member of the society, who was a logger, came across Bigfoot when the creature encroached into the logging company's base camp to look for food.

Since that incident, the member began to study the creatures and went close to their colony.

Tay said the creatures, despite their size and rough appearance, were timid and showed no aggression to humans who approached them.

The "Orang Lenggor" had a covering of black hair on their bodies when they were young but the hair gradually turned brown as they grew older, he said.

"They like to eat fish and fruits they gather in the jungles, including durian. They also have a liking for river water that contains dissolved salt and would walk for miles to get it," he added.

Tay said the society would organise an expedition to the "Orang Lenggor" colony in either March or April.

http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=181090
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|02/18/06 at 22:34:12|obadiah|xx|0|86.140.68.23|From the New Straits Times (18 Feb. 2006):
Growing interest in Bigfoot

JOHOR BARU, Thurs. - With just the Causeway separating Johor from Singapore,
it is no surprise that there is growing interest in the republic about the
"Johor Bigfoot".

While the State Government is preparing its scientific expedition in April
to track down the creature, a group from Singapore has conducted a Bigfoot
experiment in Batam.

Members of the Singapore Paranormal Investigators group had planned a search
in the jungles of Johor earlier this month, but their request to the Johor
National Park Corporation for permission was turned down.

Johor Menteri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman had announced that local
scientists would carry out their own study to verify any Bigfoot evidence
and compile data before inviting foreign groups wishing to explore the
phenomena.

Worldwide interest in the Johor Bigfoot was sparked by a report in the New
Straits Times on Dec 23 of three workers building a fishpond in Kampung
Mawai, Kota Tinggi, who claimed to have seen a Bigfoot family of two adults
and a child.

The report also carried a photograph by a Johor Malaysian Nature Society
member of what was claimed to be Bigfoot's footprints.

International Bigfoot websites such as the Bigfoot Research Organisation and
Cryptomundo are running online discussions and advisories on the Johor
Bigfoot.

Cryptomundo recently ran an interview with Bangkok- based travel
correspondent and author Harold Stephens.

He claimed to have mountted the first Bigfoot expedition in the Endau-Rompin
jungles in the 1970s.

In the interview, Stephens said he first entered Endau- Rompin on the
invitation of a member of the Johor royalty for a fishing trip.

At a village on Sungai Endau, he heard talk of a hairy jungle giant and a
prehistoric carving of an elephant on a mountain top. He searched libraries
on Bigfoot sightings dating back three centuries in the country, before
mounting his expedition with a team that included Orang Asli.

His group found giant footprints measuring 30cm in length and half that in
width on a sandbar near a river.

He said a great deal of Press publicity came of his group's discovery,
including a cover story of Argosy magazine in 1971.

Relating the details of his expedition, Stephens said: "After reaching the
12th rapids beyond the tributary of the Kimchin River, we began exploring
the riverbanks, looking for tracks.

"The banks were a maze of tracks: deer, pig, turtle, monitor lizard,
elephant, tiger, leopard, rhino. Tiger tracks were the most frequent, some
the size of a man's hand."

It was then that he saw the enormous human-like footprints, which ex-combat
photographer Kurt Rolfes shot.

Stephens said the creature that had made them had come down from the jungle
and entered the water where the tracks disappeared.
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|02/18/06 at 22:41:20|obadiah|xx|0|86.140.68.23|Are Malaysian Bigfoot Colonies Really Orangutans?

National pride, long term observations, reports of a colony, and a supposedly novel theory are the breaking news out of Malaysia today. But wait a minute, is the Johor Wildlife Protection Society merely talking about orangutans?

News out of Malaysia on February 18, 2006, indicates that the Johor Wildlife Protection Society says they have:

scientific evidence to prove the existence of Bigfoot whose reported sightings recently in the Johor jungles have excited the world’s media. Not just one Bigfoot but a whole colony of the giant, hairy creatures which the society named "Orang Lenggor" (Lenggor People) as one was spotted in an area by that name, said the society’s secretary Tay Teng Hwa.

Noting they will make the evidence public soon, they report they have studied the cryptids for six years and interacted directly with them.

The Johor Wildlife Protection Society claims:

The adult creatures are between 10 and 12 feet tall while their children are 6 to 7 footers. Seventy per cent of the Orang Lenggor have a human appearance but the rest resemble apes…They like to eat fish and fruits they gather in the jungles, including durian. They also have a liking for river water that contains dissolved salt and would walk for miles to get it.

A key here is durian, the favorite fruit of an ape we already know a lot about. Is the society talking about orangutans (Pongo pygmaeus), a species that currently inhabits only the islands of Sumatra and Borneo? The orangutan was once found throughout Indo-China, Malaysia and north to China. Fossil evidence discussed by the anthropologist (famed for his work on the Gigantopithecus), Ralph von Koenigswald, suggests that, during the Pleistocene, orangutan distribution extended from Java in the south, across mainland Asia, and reached up as far north as China. Could these Malaysian "Bigfoot" reports be a relict population of Pongo?

Bernard Heuvelmans tracked orangutan-like cryptids from Assam, Burma, China, and Vietnam, through the literature, and felt (in his 1986 checklist) they could be mainland orangutan populations in other locations than Sumatra and Borneo. Will Malaysia’s "Orang Lenggor" turn out to be orangutans?

The "Orang Lenggor" reportedly have black hair on their bodies when they are young but the hair gradually turns brown as they grew older. The coloration of the orangutan (Pongo pygmaeus) can vary from a reddish-brown to a nearly black coat and with various degrees of hair length.

The society’s timing for revealing its discovery, they allege, is due to foreigners armed with sophisticated equipment who were entering the Johor jungles to track down Bigfoot without the knowledge of the state government.

"We are worried these foreigners might find Bigfoot and then announce to the world as their discovery," they have told the media.

The society is planning to field an expedition to the "Orang Lenggor" colony in either March or April 2006.
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|02/18/06 at 22:49:13|obadiah|xx|0|86.140.68.23|From the New Straits Times (Malaysia): 16 Feb. 2006
Growing interest in Bigfoot

JOHOR BARU, Thurs. - With just the Causeway separating Johor from Singapore,
it is no surprise that there is growing interest in the republic about the
"Johor Bigfoot".

While the State Government is preparing its scientific expedition in April
to track down the creature, a group from Singapore has conducted a Bigfoot
experiment in Batam.

Members of the Singapore Paranormal Investigators group had planned a search
in the jungles of Johor earlier this month, but their request to the Johor
National Park Corporation for permission was turned down.

Johor Menteri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman had announced that local
scientists would carry out their own study to verify any Bigfoot evidence
and compile data before inviting foreign groups wishing to explore the
phenomena.

Worldwide interest in the Johor Bigfoot was sparked by a report in the New
Straits Times on Dec 23 of three workers building a fishpond in Kampung
Mawai, Kota Tinggi, who claimed to have seen a Bigfoot family of two adults
and a child.

The report also carried a photograph by a Johor Malaysian Nature Society
member of what was claimed to be Bigfoot's footprints.

International Bigfoot websites such as the Bigfoot Research Organisation and
Cryptomundo are running online discussions and advisories on the Johor
Bigfoot.

Cryptomundo recently ran an interview with Bangkok- based travel
correspondent and author Harold Stephens.

He claimed to have mountted the first Bigfoot expedition in the Endau-Rompin
jungles in the 1970s.

In the interview, Stephens said he first entered Endau- Rompin on the
invitation of a member of the Johor royalty for a fishing trip.

At a village on Sungai Endau, he heard talk of a hairy jungle giant and a
prehistoric carving of an elephant on a mountain top. He searched libraries
on Bigfoot sightings dating back three centuries in the country, before
mounting his expedition with a team that included Orang Asli.

His group found giant footprints measuring 30cm in length and half that in
width on a sandbar near a river.

He said a great deal of Press publicity came of his group's discovery,
including a cover story of Argosy magazine in 1971.

Relating the details of his expedition, Stephens said: "After reaching the
12th rapids beyond the tributary of the Kimchin River, we began exploring
the riverbanks, looking for tracks.

"The banks were a maze of tracks: deer, pig, turtle, monitor lizard,
elephant, tiger, leopard, rhino. Tiger tracks were the most frequent, some
the size of a man's hand."

It was then that he saw the enormous human-like footprints, which ex-combat
photographer Kurt Rolfes shot.

Stephens said the creature that had made them had come down from the jungle
and entered the water where the tracks disappeared.
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|02/18/06 at 23:25:52|obadiah|xx|0|86.140.68.23|Harold Stephens: 1970s Malaysian Bigfoot Tracker

Cryptomundo Exclusive Interview

Anyone doing research on the so-called Bigfoot in Malaysia will soon run across the name "Harold Stephens." Today Cryptomundo gets an exclusive first interview with the man who thirty-five years ago conducted the first modern expedition in search of Malaysia’s Orang Dalam. And he reveals intriguing new details of other discoveries.

Close up of the track of the Orang Dalam on a Malaysian sandbar found during Harold Stephens’ expedition. The track measured nineteen inches in length and was half as wide.
His findings are being revisited again, in light of all the news of the Malaysian "Bigfoot." I thought it might be a good time to have a chat with Mr. Stephens.

First some background about his 1970s’ Bigfoot discovery.

Stephens first heard of stories of the jungle giants when on excursions into the Malaysian wilds late in the 1960s. He decided to go back with a focus on finding out more about these hairy large men. After mounting a small expedition that included some Westerners and two local Orang Asli, Bojung and Achin, who also served as guide-porters, they set out into the Malay jungle, up the Endau river.



Harold Stephens’ August 1971 article in Argosy is almost legendary.

After reaching the 12th rapids, beyond the tributary of the Kimchin River, Stephens’ party began exploring the riverbanks, looking for tracks; they came across many. As he writes about the experience in Argosy, in 1971:

The banks were now a maze of tracks: deer, pig, turtle, monitor lizard, elephant, tiger, leopard, rhino. Tiger tracks were the most frequent, some the size of a man’s hand.

But then, they happened across some that were entirely different.

There in front of us were footprints, human footprints, but not ordinary ones. They were enormous, 19 inches long and 10 inches wide. The creature that had made them had come down from the jungle and entered the water and here the tracks disappeared.

We called the others. They came half running and half swimming across the river. Bujong came running and stopped dead. He shook his head. "Orang Dalam," he said and returned to the boat. Both Bujong and Achin insisted that we camp on the opposite shore, on a much narrower section of beach, under the pretext that it was too hot on this side. We did, but not before Kurt [Rolfes, an ex-combat photographer from Vietnam] photographed the tracks.

Nothing like them had been found by a non-native before, and Stephens discoveries have been the source of much discussion and reference.



Harold Stephens lives in Bangkok today.

Discussing these early discoveries with me on February 11, 2006, Stephens talks very candidly about how he stumbled into this business:

Tunku (Prince) Bakar invited me on a fishing trip in the Malay jungles, and it was in a village on the Endau River I heard talk of a hairy jungle giant. I also heard about a prehistoric carving of an elephant on a mountain top. I mounted an expedition to look for the carving.

By accident we found footprints of a jungle giant. What was even more frightening, which I never told anyone, was when we awoke the next morning, all around our camp were footprints half the size of human prints.

A great deal of publicity came out of my discovery, in the local press and the cover story for Argosy Magazine, but then when I got to know the Chief Game Warden of Malaysia, and he invited me each year on major expeditions into the jungle (because I am a writer and could give him publicity) he asked me to lay off Bigfoot. It was bad publicity for the government.

Other things too he did not want me to publicize. In the jungle we came upon Negritoes living in the Stone Age. He didn’t even want me to take photos.

Harold Stephens did research in the libraries before his expedition, detailing sightings back three centuries in Malaysia. And he continued his study of the subject. He told me today:

I didn’t give up on Bigfoot though. I heard China was doing research, and traveled to China and interviewed some of their experts. Most interesting.

He has also written about what he found in China:

More than 300 sightings have been recorded there since the 1920s. A dozen scientific expeditions have searched for the wild man since 1976, mostly in the thickly forested Shen Nong Jia region of northwestern Hu Bei. In 1980, Meng Qing Bao, leader of one expedition, found more than 1000 footprints stretching for about one-and-a-half miles. The team made plaster casts of prints, some more than 20 inches long.

In Guandong, China, there is a permanent exhibition on display of the legendary “Abominable Snowman.” The Yangcheng Evening News reported that Mr. Fang Zhong Shi, head of the China Wild Man Research Association, has a standing offer of a 10,000 yuan (about US$10,000) reward for anyone bringing in one of the wild creatures.

(If there’s any interest, Cryptomundo will continue with further details of the wide-ranging interview, concerning Stephens’ hunt for the bones of the Peking Man and other adventures.)

Previously published details on Stephens’ discoveries about Orang Dalam and the Chinese Wildmen can be found in his book Return to Adventure Southeast Asia .

||02/18/06 at 23:26:30|obadiah Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|02/18/06 at 23:26:11|obadiah|xx|0|86.140.68.23|Bigfoot lives in Johor jungles, says Ghani

DOES Bigfoot really exist?  

“Yes! Bigfoot exists in Johor,” said Mentri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman, adding that there was truth in recent reports that some orang asli had sighted the hairy giant brown ape near Kota Tinggi several months ago.  

“The orang asli have the ability to sense the presence of Bigfoot by smelling the air and following the tracks. They are not known to make up stories,” he said when launching the Johor edition of the tabloid Kosmos! at Danga Bay on Saturday, according to Mingguan Malaysia.  

“Backed by our own research, we are positive that Bigfoot exists in the jungles of Johor,” said Ghani.  

Media reports of the creature, said to be furry and 24m to 30m tall, surfaced months ago when several orang asli workers claimed to have seen a family of Bigfoots lurking in the jungle.  

On another matter, Kosmo! front-paged a report that two actresses had hurled insults at press photographers and TV cameramen who were recording their arrests during a police raid at an entertainment outlet in Kuala Lumpur on Saturday.  

The two artistes were believed to have been under the influence of alcohol and were among 63 people questioned.  

A female artiste who was with them escaped through the back door.
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Richard_F|richard@cfz.org.uk|02/19/06 at 14:00:52|richard_f|xx|0|86.128.26.206|I think they mean 2.4-3.00 (8-10 feet) meters not 24-30 meters that's 100 feet!|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|02/20/06 at 13:28:05|obadiah|xx|0|86.140.68.23|Society Claims To Have Scientific Evidence Of Bigfoot Colony


By Mohd Haikal Isa

JOHOR BAHARU, Feb 18 (Bernama) -- The Johor Wildlife Protection Society said it has "scientific evidence" to prove the existence of Bigfoot whose reported sightings recently in the Johor jungles have excited the world's media.

Not just one Bigfoot but a whole colony of the giant, hairy creatures which the society named "Orang Lenggor" (Lenggor People) as one was spotted in an area by that name, said the society's secretary Tay Teng Hwa.

"We will make public the evidence soon," he said today.

He said a member of the society had studied the creatures for six years and interacted directly with the colony.

"The adult creatures are between 10 and 12 feet tall while their children are 6 to 7 footers. Seventy per cent of the Orang Lenggor have a human appearance but the rest resemble apes," he said.

Tay declined to reveal the location of the Bigfoot colony or the type of "scientific evidence" in the possession of the society.

The claim by the society followed a statement by Johor Menteri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman that he was convinced about the existence of Bigfoot based on information provided by Orang Asli.

Tay said the society decided to reveal its discovery because foreigners armed with sophisticated equipment were entering the Johor jungles to track down Bigfoot without the knowledge of the state government.

"We are worried these foreigners might find Bigfoot and then announce to the world as their discovery," he said.

Relating the background to the society's study of the creatures, he said a member of the society, who was a logger, came across Bigfoot when the creature encroached into the logging company's base camp to look for food.

Since that incident, the member began to study the creatures and went close to their colony.

Tay said the creatures, despite their size and rough appearance, were timid and showed no aggression to humans who approached them.

The "Orang Lenggor" had a covering of black hair on their bodies when they were young but the hair gradually turned brown as they grew older, he said.

"They like to eat fish and fruits they gather in the jungles, including durian. They also have a liking for river water that contains dissolved salt and would walk for miles to get it," he added.

Tay said the society would organise an expedition to the "Orang Lenggor" colony in either March or April.

|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|02/21/06 at 19:43:01|obadiah|xx|0|86.137.106.240|From Berita Wilayah (Malayais): 20 Feb. 2006
Bigfoot Sighted In Endau-Rompin National Park

ROMPIN (Pahang), Feb 20 (Bernama) -- Orang Asli living along the
Johor-Pahang border claim they too have seen "Bigfoot" in the Endau-Rompin
National Park while collecting forest produce in the area.

They call the hairy man-like creatures standing over four metres (12ft) tall
as "hantu siaran gigi" or "hantu hutan".

But those are not the only creatures they have seen for they have also
sighted "hantu semawa" -- a creature whose body size is similar to an
ordinary human -- and "hantu bojok" which is much smaller.

Tok Batin (tribal chief) Sati Pak Burut, 48, said his men had told him
several times of their encounter with such creatures in the Johor forest.

"My men often go into the forest for up to two or three weeks. When they
return, they will tell lots of stories like seeing hantu hutan, hantu bojok
and hantu semawa," he said.

Tok Batin Sati, who heads over 300 families in Kampung Guri, said no
untoward incidents had happened so far involving his men and the creatures.

"Normally, when seeing such a creature, they just leave the area. They do
not want to disturb it. It knows that we are poor, the creatures and us
depend on the forest for our livelihood," he said.

Villager Alias Kuwi, 32, said he had seen a hantu hutan catching fish while
looking for fragrant wood in the forest.

"We looked at it and it looked back at us, then we continued walking. It did
not bother us," he said.

On hantu bojok, he said, the one he had seen was not as hairy as a Bigfoot.

"Hantu bojok is small. We've seen it many times. It looks like a dwarf.
Once, we saw it catching fish and when it saw us, it ran away," he said.

Alias said he and his friends had never seen such creatures in other forests
except in Johor.

"We are used to entering forests, sometimes in Terengganu looking for
fragrant wood, rattan and other forest produce but only in Johor we've seen
such creatures," he said.

He said normally they entered the forest in a group of between three and
nine people and stayed there for two to three weeks depending on the ration
they brought.
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|02/21/06 at 20:06:01|obadiah|xx|0|86.137.106.240|Bigfoot blues

by R. Sittamparam

JOHOR BARU, Mon

The arrival of foreign media and research groups to check out the Bigfoot phenomenon has received mixed reactions from the people of Johor.

While their presence may boost eco-tourism here, some complain the Bigfoot seekers are being allowed to move about too freely in the jungle.

State Tourism and Environment committee chairman Freddie Long said the foreign groups should not go into the jungle without permission as this was prohibited under the National Forestry Act.

He said these people should only talk to eyewitnesses and check out Bigfoot tracks found on private land.

Asked to comment on a local group’s recent claim of having proof of at least 40 Bigfoot creatures in Johor’s jungles, Long said this was far-fetched, but his committee would check it out.

The NST met a group of 14 local and foreign media representatives and researchers setting out on an expedition to look for Bigfoot, at the Kampung Mawai Lama jetty about 20km from here today.

The group comprised a seven-member film crew from Mandt Bros Productions, two Singaporean paranormal investigators, a five-member film crew from Makim Abad Sdn Bhd, and Southeast Asia’s correspondent for the Independent of London, Jan McGirk.

Mandt Bros chief Neil Mandt said his Los Angeles-based company was here to produce a documentary on the Johor Bigfoot and other paranormal phenomena in Johor and Kuala Lumpur for the Destination Truth slot on NBC Universal’s Sci-Fi Network. He said his crew would complete its job by tomorrow.

Syed Abdullah Syed Hussein Al-Attas, a researcher from Makim Abad, which produces the Seekers series for ntv7, said the Johor Bigfoot story would be featured in an upcoming episode.

At Press time, Syed Abdullah reported that the group had found a fresh giant footprint believed to have been made by the Bigfoot at Kampung Lukut China.

He said the print was clear enough to make several plaster casts of it, despite the rain. || Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|02/22/06 at 20:54:51|obadiah|xx|0|86.137.106.240|Bigfoot In Johor Believed To Be From Perak

Mohd Haikal Isa
February 22, 2006

JOHOR BAHARU, Feb 22 (Bernama) -- A colony of "Bigfoot" believed to be roaming the jungles of Johor is said to have moved there from the jungles around Gerik in Perak, according to a source.

The source said the colony, now numbering about 40, had originated as a group of 17 and had moved away due to three main reasons -- the skirmishes between soldiers and communist guerrillas in the early 70s, construction of the East-West Highway and the building of a dam.

In its search for a new habitat, the colony had moved southwards and reached Pahang before getting to Johor, the source told Bernama, here today.

When the colony was first detected in the jungles of Johor in the 70s, there were only 15 members, the source said, adding that two members are believed to have died or got separated from the group and set up their own colonies or groups.

The source said the older members of the Bigfoot then were in their 20s, adding that it was believed that Bigfoot there were now in their 50s to 60s.

Over the years, the source said, their number grew to about 40, made up of three families.

"The 40 comprised adults and young ones, as well as males and females," the source said.

Asked why the Bigfoot did not move northwards to the jungles of southern Thailand, the source said the jungles there were unsuitable for them.

The source also said that there was a possibility that the Bigfoot in the jungles of Johor would seek a new habitat because of logging and development.

Recently, an association called the Johor Wildlife Protection Society claimed that one of its members had conducted a six-year study on the Bigfoot.

The source said the Bigfoot seemed to be a mix of man and ape, with a ratio of 70 per cent and 30 per cent respectively, and easily reached a height of 10 to 12 feet for an adult and six to seven feet for a young one.

The association had also said that the Bigfoot was not totally covered with hair but had a dense growth of hair on several parts of the body.

The main diet of the Bigfoot comprised fish from the rivers and wild fruits.

Lately, Johor Menteri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman confirmed the existence of Bigfoot in the jungles of Johor based on information from the Orang Asli community.

The stories of sightings of Bigfoot by people reported in the local media have encouraged international media organisations to send crew to document evidence of their presence in the jungles of Johor.

http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=181850
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|02/22/06 at 20:55:28|obadiah|xx|0|86.137.106.240|Footprint casts hope of finding Bigfoot
Chuah Bee Kim

JOHOR BARU, Tues.
February 22 2006

Foreign journalists tracking "Bigfoot" in the jungles of Johor have made a plaster cast of a fresh footprint measuring 60cm by 30cm.

Almost three times the size of a human foot, they feel the evidence indicates they are close to finding and filming the creature.

"This is very close to an actual sighting," said Joshua Gates, 28, who is part of a seven-member expedition to the jungles of Kota Tinggi.

Gates, who found the foot, is the host of Destination Truth, a new television programme to be shown over the Sci-Fi Network in the United States.

The Sci-Fi Network is an NBC Universal television network dedicated to programmes exploring the mysterious, paranormal, fantastic and unexplained.

Gates and his crew have been in Kota Tinggi since yesterday to shoot a documentary on the creature.

The group travelled deep into the jungle and found the footprints in Kampung Lukut after searching an area covering 30 sq km.

"One of the footprints, showing five toes, was especially well preserved in the mud. We made several plaster casts of it.

"This is most credible evidence to date that the Bigfoot might indeed be roaming the jungles of Johor," he said.

"We believe we are on the trail of something really big.

"The size of the footprint doesn't match that of any primate or animal we have ever seen.

"This is bound to stir a great deal of interest in the US when the documentary is shown.

"It might prompt more researchers and journalists to come to Johor in search of Bigfoot."

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Wednesday/National/20060222082701/Article/index_html
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|02/22/06 at 20:56:19|obadiah|xx|0|86.137.106.240|The unknown world: How I tracked Bigfoot through the Malaysian jungle

Jan McGirk joined a team of paranormal investigators to check out reports of 10ft giant apes in the rainforest near Kota Tinggi. This is what they found...

Published: 22 February 2006

At first glance it might have seemed like nothing. A four-inch impression in the mud of the Malaysian rainforest. On closer inspection, however, it seemed as if it might be the astounding find the expedition had been hoping for. A footprint of the creature known variously as Bigfoot, Sasquatch, the tropical Yeti or - to locals - the Mawas.

Said to grow up to 10- feet tall, with an awesome armspan, a trio of these undiscovered hominids were at the centre of a flurry of unconfirmed sightings by frightened plantation workers three months ago. And in the fading light of the Bukit Lantang woods on the fringe of dense forest in Johor state, a single splayed print appeared to offer the most compelling evidence yet that we were on the trail of the mighty beast.

The Mawas appears to have grabbed for support when it teetered off-balance, because tree branches 11 feet overhead had been damaged, directly above the spot where the animal's left heel had sunk four inches into a muddy puddle. A stick had snapped beneath one of its toe depressions.

A second fresh footprint proved impossible to find but recent damage to a rotting log, located a couple of strides away, suggested it had might have borne a prodigious weight.

For the excitable team of Yeti hunters, mainly a mix of Singapore enthusiasts and volunteers from the capital Kuala Lumpur it was vindication. Even the sceptics, including this reporter, were secretly impressed.

As with the two extremely faded footprints that had been found preserved in fresh tar on a nearby road, this print measured nearly a triple handspan across, roughly 11 by 19 inches. The Australian tracker Tony Burke, part of the Singapore team, estimated that to make such a print, an animal would have to weigh at least 240kg.

"I'm a cynic, but if we could see a right footprint as well, we could at least measure its gait. Maybe if we had some scat, I could be totally convinced," he said. "I am about 50 per cent there. Let's see what the lab results are."

An official government committee of research scientists, appointed by Abdul Ghani Othman, chief minister of Johor state, has been trying to verify Bigfoot's existence since late January, by interviewing witnesses, setting upcamera traps in its likely haunts, and collecting evidence from tribal informants in the national parks.

But our paranormal investigators' search party, tailed by an excitable science-fiction film crew from Los Angeles, was anything but stealthy. Kong Kam Choy, a 40-year-old construction worker who likes to trek through the jungle in his free time, convinced the gaggle of researchers to tramp through a leech-infested grove near a palm plantation where he had come across unusually big tracks that he could not readily identify.

It was just two hours before dusk, thunder was rumbling and the group was disappointed, having made a futile afternoon voyage upriver to examine a set of tracks discovered on 10 January near the Tanjung Sedili creek. These had since been washed away by tropical downpours and overrun by wild boar.

Then we struck gold. Kenny Fong, an e-commerce professor who founded Singapore Paranormal Investigators five years ago, came running when Josh Gates, a sci-fi documentary maker, summoned him to check out the peculiarly large footprint.

Professor Fong considers himself a debunker who is keen to spot a hoax. Using a police crime scene kit designed to preserve footprints for court evidence, he set about the job. A technician required three full bags of plaster (at about 1lb a bag) to fill the huge depression made by the single footprint. The muddy size 20 footprint was doused with hairspray before quick-setting plaster was poured into each crevice.

As the group gawked and cameras whirred, the print took on that unmistakable and almost comically ominous Bigfoot shape - the flat foot with four rounded digits, plus a gorilla-like big toe jutting out from the side. "People say Bigfoot doesn't exist, and I have had my doubts. But what else could it be?" asked Professor Fong, who promptly toppled off a hillock in his excitement to photograph the group in front of the fresh paw print.

According to Vincent Chow, a Malaysian bio-diversity expert, this area of diverse rainforest has been rife with Bigfoot sightings all month. "An elephant has been foraging in those woods for food, so farmers set off explosives to frighten it away from their fields," he said. "But animals get accustomed to these blasts and ignore them. Now we think a Bigfoot family of three may be shadowing the elephant, who clears the way.

"Fourteen large footprints were found nearby on Saturday. Then at 4am, workers were awakened by 10 minutes of weird hooting, a kind of call and response session, while they were asleep at a palm oil plantation." The planter, Abdul Rahman Ahmad, said his terrified workers at Komping Lukut described the eerie night cries as long drawls in three distinct pitches. "They said it sounded like squeals of wild pigs mixed up with the deep barks of gibbons - but not like owls," he recounted. They also heard heavy crashing through the underbrush. Mr Chow speculated that at least three different animals, which the local tribes call Hantu Jarang Gigi, or "snaggle-toothed ghosts", must have been involved in this curious chorus.
Historical records show eight claimed sightings of enormous apemen in southern Malaysia that date back to 1871, and the Orang Asli tribes who inhabit the forest famously dread an encounter with these shy, oversized apes, known variously as Sasquatch in Canada, Yowie in eastern Australia, Bigfoot in the western US or the Yeti in the Himalayas.

The creature is almost ubiquitous and many cultures throughout the world have legends about man-beasts. Recorded sightings in North America date back to the early 1800s. According to some Native American tribes, the Sasquatch are not flesh-and-blood creatures in the first place but spirits which appear to humans in times of crisis. But despite numerous sightings, photos and footprints of often questionable origin, there has never been conclusive proof that these creatures exist. No droppings, no bones, no hair and no bodies found - alive or dead.

So far the same remains true of the Malaysian Mawas.

A photo of the clear new footprints preserved in tar ran in Kuala Lumpur's leading English daily, the New Straits Times, last Sunday. One group of local Bigfoot-stalkers claimed to have unearthed evidence that up to 40 of the reclusive black-furred Mawas hominids were roaming the rainforest feasting on rambutan, durian, mangoes and fish. The animals are said to range all along the dense jungle that connects Endau Rompin, Kota Tinggi and Tanjung Piai districts and are not exclusively vegetarian. Their huge bulk must also be maintained by hunting jungle fowl and mule deer near the swamps.

Some scientists theorise that these enormous Malaysian apes might have descended from Gigantopithecus, a huge primate that roamed southern China more than 300,000 years ago.

Jane Goodall, probably the most distinguished primatologist in academia, is an unabashed Bigfoot enthusiast and recently confessed: "I'm a romantic, so I always wanted them to exist. People from very different backgrounds and different parts of the world have described very similar creatures behaving in similar ways and uttering some strikingly similar sounds ... so the existence of hominids of this sort is a very real probability."

In Malaysia, Mawas-mania is building, fuelled partly by television. The plaster cast from Bukit Lantang woods will be presented to government scientists by Syed Abdullah Alattas, a Malaysian celebrity better known as "Uncle", who stars in a popular reality show called Seekers. Every week he tracks down the paranormal on camera, invariably surrounded by a group of female acolytes armed with daggers, who squeal fetchingly whenever they encounter the unknown.

For our trip, the Seekers crew had brought in an array of arcane equipment, including remote control robot cameras, infrared goggles and sound-enhancers, but the fresh footprint was found by chance. During a demonstration of the sound-boosting sensors before we left for the jungle, it was easy to distinguish whether restaurant diners were chewing on breakfast croissants or toast. But, during a 12-hour monitoring period in the forest, no aural trace of the bigfoot was detected.

Lack of evidence is not likely to slow the bandwagon building momentum in Kuala Lumpur though. Cartoons show a giant ape straddling the landmark Petronas Towers and grinning rubber-ape masks are being hawked at traffic lights in the city centre. Despite the growing excitement, there have been no urban sightings of Bigfoot. So far, the only sign of the primates has been found in the southern wilds, usually close to the water.

The Johor National Park director, Hashim Yusof, is sceptical about the existence of giant apes, but will not rule out the possibility. "The Endau-Rompin National Park covers 500 square miles. We only have information on half of the flora and fauna inside it," he admitted. The area lies in roughly the same latitude as Borneo, where thousands of species unknown to science have recently come to light.

Environmentalists are concerned that the craze to market Bigfoot as a peace-loving new-age monster may put the entire rainforest ecology at risk - and indeed some think that the sightings may be linked to environmental changes in the first place.

Hamid Mohd Ali, a frog-catcher from the Orang Asli tribe, claims he came eye to eye with a giant ape, which his people call the "Siamang", late last year. Other locals allege that they saw the giant creature cross the road at twilight or leap down from a river bank.

"We believe that people can only see it once in a lifetime," Hamid told reporters. "But in this year alone, four villagers have seen it [the Bigfoot] and we think this is because of the shrinking jungle."

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article346940.ece
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|02/23/06 at 10:06:25|obadiah|xx|0|86.137.106.240|Researcher finds 'Bigfoot trail'

Thursday February 23, 2006

JOHOR BARU: A bio-researcher was startled to find two heaps of uprooted plants, 100m apart, in a secondary forest near Kampung Lukut China in Kota Tinggi.

Vincent Chow, on a personal expedition to find out if Bigfoot exists, said he came across the puzzling trail as he went some 200m into the secondary forest.

"The branches of saplings about 50cm above the ground were all broken," he said, adding that he made sure he measured all his findings for research purposes.

"Then I looked up and saw the branches about 4m from the ground were also broken."  

Chow said the way they were broken showed they were done forcefully and intentionally.

Chow was further startled when he found a heap of uprooted plants, some with branches 2cm thick. He noted that it would have taken tremendous strength to do so.

"The question is why are they, whoever they are, clearing the forest? It would need a very strong person to uproot plants like that," he said.  

Chow said he believed the bizarre trail was made by the so-called Bigfoot, because the evidence indicated that it could not be made by humans.  

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/2/23/nation/13475751&sec=nation|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|jon_downes|jon@cfz.org.uk|02/24/06 at 17:58:10|jon_downes|xx|0|172.143.221.47|From the New Straits Times (Malaysia): 24 Feb. 2006
Gunung Panti 'bigfoot' could be swamp dweller, says expert
R. Sittamparam

JOHOR BARU, Thurs: THE shape of the giant footprints believed to be that of
the Johor Bigfoot discovered near Gunung Panti over the past week shos that
that the creature could be a swamp dweller.

The splayed toes as compared to joined toes of the Sasquatch (Bigfoot) of
America could imply that the Johor Bigfoot had evolved separately to adapt
to the wet and muddy conditions of swamps and river banks of Malaysia.

Universiti Putra Malaysia's Animal Science Department head Dr Azhar Kasim
said the creature, obviously being bulky and heavy, required a large and
widely spread foot to move about in the soft ground of the Malaysian
rainforest.

He was asked to comment on the plaster cast of a large footprint believed to
be that of the Johor Bigfoot that was found by a team of local and foreign
media and researchers at the Panti foothills on Monday.

Dr Azhar said the foot formation of the gigantic creature which was seen to
be basically a land dweller, was consistent with the areas where the
footprints were found, at river banks and muddy spots.

Commenting on yesterday's find of mysterious clearings in the secondary
forest area close to where the Bigfoot footprints were, Dr Azhar said it was
common animal behaviour to keep its nesting area open and clear.

"This will enable the animal to easily escape when faced with any threats.
However in this case there is no nest in the area."

Dr Azhar said another logical explanation could be that the area served as a
courtship space for mating couples.


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KUALA LUMPUR: A foreign journalist and his team of paranormal investigators shooting a documentary on "Bigfoot" in the jungles of Johor's Kota Tinggi ended their expedition with the finding of a fresh footprint last Monday.

Measuring 60cm x 36cm, the footprint was found in Kampung Lukut by Joshua Gates, 28, and his expedition after combing 30sq km of the area.

Gates, who is the host of America television programme Destination Truth, made a plastic cast of the footprint, which will be sent for a DNA test.

Asked how they are convinced the footprint belonged to Bigfoot, Gates said: "The size of the footprint does not match that of any primates or animal we have ever seen.

"This is the most credible evidence to date that Bigfoot might indeed be roaming the jungles of Johor."

Gates, who is part of a sevenmember expedition from the United States, Singapore Paranormal Investigators (SPI) and Seekers Malaysia, found 10 similar footprints, but all had been washed away by rain and overrun by wild boars.

The footprint found was the only print still visibly clear ? the flat foot with four rounded digits, plus a gorilla-like big toe jutting out from the side.

Seekers Malaysia crew Syed Abdullah Al-Attas said it will be sent for a DNA test before it is handed over to the Johor mentri besar.
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|jon_downes|jon@cfz.org.uk|02/24/06 at 18:01:06|jon_downes|xx|0|172.143.221.47|Gunung Panti 'bigfoot' could be swamp dweller, says expert

R. Sittamparam JOHOR BARU, Thurs: February 24 2006

THE shape of the giant footprints believed to be that of the Johor Bigfoot discovered near Gunung Panti over the past week shos that that the creature could be a swamp dweller.

The splayed toes as compared to joined toes of the Sasquatch (Bigfoot) of America could imply that the Johor Bigfoot had evolved separately to adapt to the wet and muddy conditions of swamps and river banks of Malaysia.

Universiti Putra Malaysia's Animal Science Department head Dr Azhar Kasim said the creature, obviously being bulky and heavy, required a large and widely spread foot to move about in the soft ground of the Malaysian rainforest.

He was asked to comment on the plaster cast of a large footprint believed to be that of the Johor Bigfoot that was found by a team of local and foreign media and researchers at the Panti foothills on Monday.

Dr Azhar said the foot formation of the gigantic creature which was seen to be basically a land dweller, was consistent with the areas where the footprints were found, at river banks and muddy spots.

Commenting on yesterday's find of mysterious clearings in the secondary forest area close to where the Bigfoot footprints were, Dr Azhar said it was common animal behaviour to keep its nesting area open and clear.

"This will enable the animal to easily escape when faced with any threats. However in this case there is no nest in the area."

Dr Azhar said another logical explanation could be that the area served as a courtship space for mating couples.

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|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|jon_downes|jon@cfz.org.uk|02/25/06 at 10:47:24|jon_downes|xx|0|172.201.196.9|Stalking Bigfoot

A team of investigators checked out reports of 10-foot-tall giant apes in the Malaysian rainforest. This is what they found ...

Jan Mcgirk
The Independent
(Feb 25, 2006)

At first glance it might have seemed like nothing. A four-inch impression in the mud of the Malaysian rainforest. On closer inspection, however, it seemed as if it might be the astounding find the expedition had been hoping for. A footprint of the creature known variously as Bigfoot, Sasquatch, the tropical Yeti or -- to locals -- the Mawas.

Said to grow up to three metres (about 10 feet), with an awesome armspan, these undiscovered hominids were at the centre of a flurry of unconfirmed sightings by frightened plantation workers three months ago.

And in the fading light of the Bukit Lantang woods on the fringe of dense forest in Johor state, a single splayed print appeared to offer the most compelling evidence yet that we were on the trail of the mighty beast.

The Mawas appears to have grabbed for support when it teetered off-balance, because tree branches 11 feet overhead had been damaged, directly above the spot where the animal's left heel had sunk four inches into a muddy puddle.

A second fresh footprint proved impossible to find, but recent damage to a rotting log, located a couple of strides away, suggested it had might have borne a prodigious weight.

For the excitable team of Mawas hunters, mainly a mix of Singapore enthusiasts and volunteers from the capital Kuala Lumpur, it was vindication. Even the skeptics, including this reporter, were secretly impressed.

As with the two extremely faded footprints that had been found preserved in fresh tar on a nearby road, this print measured roughly 11 by 19 inches. The Australian tracker Tony Burke, part of the Singapore team, estimated that to make such a print, an animal would have to weigh at least 240 kilograms (about 530 pounds).

"I'm a cynic, but if we could see a right footprint as well, we could at least measure its gait. Maybe if we had some scat, I could be totally convinced," he said. "I am about 50 per cent there. Let's see what the lab results are."

An official government committee of research scientists, appointed by Abdul Ghani Othman, chief minister of Johor state, has been trying to verify Bigfoot's existence since late January, by interviewing witnesses, setting up camera traps in its likely haunts, and collecting evidence from tribal informants in the national parks.

But our paranormal investigators' search party, tailed by an excitable science-fiction film crew from Los Angeles, was anything but stealthy.

Kong Kam Choy, a 40-year-old construction worker who likes to trek through the jungle in his free time, convinced the gaggle of researchers to tramp through a leech-infested grove near a palm plantation where he had come across unusually big tracks that he could not readily identify.

It was just two hours before dusk, thunder was rumbling and the group was disappointed, having made a futile afternoon voyage up river to examine a set of tracks discovered near the Tanjung Sedili creek. These had since been washed away by tropical downpours and overrun by wild boar.

Then we struck gold.

Kenny Fong, an e-commerce professor who founded Singapore Paranormal Investigators five years ago, came running when Josh Gates, a sci-fi documentary maker, summoned him to check out the peculiarly large footprint.

Fong considers himself a debunker who is keen to spot a hoax.

Using a police crime scene kit designed to preserve footprints for court evidence, he set about the job. A technician required three full bags of plaster (at about 1lb a bag) to fill the huge depression made by the single footprint.

As the group gawked and cameras whirred, the print took on that unmistakable and almost comically ominous Bigfoot shape -- the flat foot with four rounded digits, plus a gorilla-like big toe jutting out from the side.

"People say Bigfoot doesn't exist, and I have had my doubts. But what else could it be?" asked Fong, who photographed the group in front of the fresh paw print.

According to Vincent Chow, a Malaysian bio-diversity expert, this area of diverse rainforest has been rife with Bigfoot sightings all month. "An elephant has been foraging in those woods for food, so farmers set off explosives to frighten it away from their fields," he said. "But animals get accustomed to these blasts and ignore them. Now we think a Bigfoot family of three may be shadowing the elephant, who clears the way.

"Fourteen large footprints were found nearby last Saturday. Then at 4 a.m., workers were awakened by 10 minutes of weird hooting, a kind of call and response session, while they were asleep at a palm oil plantation."

The planter, Abdul Rahman Ahmad, said his terrified workers at Komping Lukut described the eerie night cries as long drawls in three distinct pitches.

"They said it sounded like squeals of wild pigs mixed up with the deep barks of gibbons ," he recounted. Chow speculated that at least three different animals, which the local tribes call Hantu Jarang Gigi, or "snaggle-toothed ghosts", must have been involved in this curious chorus.

Historical records show eight claimed sightings of enormous apemen in southern Malaysia that date back to 1871, and the Orang Asli tribes who inhabit the forest famously dread an encounter with these shy, oversized apes, known variously as Sasquatch in Canada, Yowie in eastern Australia, Bigfoot in the western United States or the Yeti in the Himalayas.

The creature is almost ubiquitous and many cultures throughout the world have legends about man-beasts. Recorded sightings in North America date back to the early 1800s. According to some Native American tribes, the Sasquatch are not flesh-and-blood creatures in the first place but spirits which appear to humans in times of crisis.

But despite numerous sightings, photos and footprints of often questionable origin, there has never been conclusive proof that these creatures exist. No droppings, no bones, no hair and no bodies found -- alive or dead.

So far the same remains true of the Malaysian Mawas.

A photo of the clear new footprints preserved in tar ran in Kuala Lumpur's leading English daily, the New Straits Times, last Sunday. One group of local Bigfoot-stalkers claimed to have unearthed evidence that up to 40 of the reclusive black-furred Mawas hominids were roaming the rainforest feasting on rambutan, durian, mangoes and fish.

The animals are said to range all along the dense jungle that connects Endau Rompin, Kota Tinggi and Tanjung Piai districts and are not exclusively vegetarian. Their huge bulk must also be maintained by hunting jungle fowl and mule deer near the swamps.

Some scientists theorize that these enormous Malaysian apes might have descended from Gigantopithecus, a huge primate that roamed southern China more than 300,000 years ago.

Jane Goodall, probably the most distinguished primatologist in academia, is an unabashed Bigfoot enthusiast and recently confessed: "I'm a romantic, so I always wanted them to exist. People from very different backgrounds and different parts of the world have described very similar creatures behaving in similar ways and uttering some strikingly similar sounds ... so the existence of hominids of this sort is a very real probability."

In Malaysia, Mawas-mania is building, fuelled partly by television. The plaster cast from Bukit Lantang woods will be presented to government scientists by Syed Abdullah Alattas, a Malaysian celebrity better known as "Uncle", who stars in a popular reality show called Seekers.

Every week he tracks down the paranormal on camera, invariably surrounded by a group of female acolytes armed with daggers, who squeal fetchingly whenever they encounter the unknown.

For our trip, the Seekers crew had brought in an array of arcane equipment, including remote control robot cameras, infrared goggles and sound-enhancers, but the fresh footprint was found by chance. During a demonstration of the sound-boosting sensors before we left for the jungle, it was easy to distinguish whether restaurant diners were chewing on breakfast croissants or toast. But, during a 12-hour monitoring period in the forest, no aural trace of the bigfoot was detected.

Lack of evidence is not likely to slow the bandwagon building momentum in Kuala Lumpur though. Cartoons show a giant ape straddling the landmark Petronas Towers and grinning rubber-ape masks are being hawked at traffic lights in the city centre.

Despite the growing excitement, there have been no urban sightings of Bigfoot. So far, the only sign of the primates has been found in the southern wilds, usually close to the water.

The Johor National Park director, Hashim Yusof, is skeptical about the existence of giant apes, but will not rule out the possibility.

"The Endau-Rompin National Park covers 1,900 square kilometres. We only have information on half of the flora and fauna inside it," he admitted. The area lies in roughly the same latitude as Borneo, where thousands of species unknown to science have recently come to light.

Environmentalists are concerned that the craze to market Bigfoot as a peace-loving, new-age monster may put the entire rainforest ecology at risk -- and indeed some think that the sightings may be linked to environmental changes in the first place.


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POINT BLANK: Godsend to the tourism industry

Johan Jaaffar Feb 25:

I HAVE to disagree with a Johor exco member who wanted to control individuals and groups looking for Mr Bigfoot.

According to Press reports, Freddie Long Hoo Hin has instructed all district officers to detain "trackers" without proper permission. I have a better idea — capitalise on the interest in the creature. I see money in Bigfoot..

I am sure Johor wants to sell itself as nature’s heaven. Bigfoot is a godsend to the Johor tourism industry. Why kill the buzz?

After all, publicity is good for tourism. Long’s statement would only hurt the State’s policy to promote eco-tourism. The excuse given was that the pursuit of Bigfoot will affect the natural habitats where the creature supposedly roams. Yang Berhormat, the culprits are our own people, raping the jungles and forests and cutting trees indiscriminately.

The way I look at it, the State Government should engage any of the TV channels dedicated to nature to produce a highly publicised campaign in search of Bigfoot. Remember the hyped "Mammoth" programme on TV?

They capitalised on some fossils found in the Arctic and turned it into a global TV event. The channel covered every aspect of the so-called "discovery and study" — even moving the remnants to a "research area". Scientists, naturalists and even DNA experts were there to add to the unfolding drama. It was TV at its showy best. It was one of the most watched programmes on the channel. Much ado about nothing you say. But, hey, that’s show business.

Johor should jump on to the Bigfoot bandwagon. Strategise what to do. Start a "Bigfoot Trail" — encourage tourists to follow a planned route in the jungle. Add some mystery to that — the footprints, the sleeping areas, the possible eating places. And of course stories about "small broken branches as high as five metres from the ground" to give you an idea of how big this guy is. Come out with booklets, pamphlets, brochures, whatever, on Bigfoot.

We have the "stuff" yet we will certainly blow the chances to smithereens just like many others. We are still one of the few countries in the world which can claim to have large expanses of virgin tropical jungle.

OK, timber concessions are still given out for reasons best known to those who give them out, our rivers are being polluted and our hillslopes are threatened by development. Our mangrove swamps, too, are fast dwindling. It took more than a hundred Malaysian lives to make us understand how vulnerable our beaches are to tsunami.

Bigfoot stories are nothing new. Locals are incensed by the term "Bigfoot" used by the Press; ironically even the Malay papers are using the term. Johoreans have a word for it, Mawas and it has been around since time immemorial. Mawas is a stuff of legends in many isolated villages in some districts in Johor. Growing up in Muar, the Mawas story was as scary as that of marauders looking for children’s heads to be used as sacrifices for the building of bridges.

Mawas back then was a horrifying enough symbol to silence small children crying in the night. Mawas has been part of my nightmare. I was told by my uncles that when the jungle was opened up for farmland, many saw the Mawas. As the legend goes, the hairy creature is about two metres tall, walks like a gorilla and has its hidung terbalik (nose upside down).

It can be ferocious protecting its turf. As humans encroached into its territories, it became understandably gru- mpier. Humans would avoid them or shoo them away. I have not heard anyone being killed by Mawas though. But there were stories of close encounters — a guy I was told about escaped serious injury when the Mawas’ powerful fingers smacked him on the shoulders.

As late as the mid-1960s, stories of Mawas being sighted still made its rounds. But as more areas were opened for cultivation and human settlements began dotting what were once jungle and forests, Mawas just diminished into oblivion. So, the latest stories surfacing in Kota Tinggi certainly interests me and my generation. OK, it has now evolved into Bigfoot and Orang Lenggong, not the Mawas that frightened me as a child. But who cares? Call it by any name. If at all it exists, we have a 21st Century jungle legend in the making.

To add credibility to the stories, those who are tracking them are "experts" in their own right. Biodiversity researcher Vincent Chow told reporters that the latest evidence found at Kampung Lukut Cina in Panti indicated that the creature is at least three metres in height.

There are also an American film crew, members of the Singapore Paranormal Investigators, a journalist from a respected daily in the United Kingdom and local researchers in the area. The footprints discovered earlier by a 16-member international team are certainly the hottest topic discussed in Johor today other than the latest gossip about Mawi the singer.

After all, no one can prove the existence of the Loch Ness monster or the Abominable Snowman. Imagine what the elusive monster at Loch Ness has done to the economy of the sleepy Scottish town of Inverness and its surrounding areas.There is a full-fledged tourism industry capitalising on the legend. We should be thinking along those lines, not erecting barriers and adding more red tape. Even if Mawas is never found, etch Mawas into the collective consciousness of nature lovers the world over. At least that will put the district of Kota Tinggi on the map.

Yes, we should be the poster boy of the environment. And eco-tourism should be our strongest money-earner. We still have elephants, tapirs, tigers, poisonous snakes and now Mawas. Yet, we are only interested in selling our people, food and shopping havens (Truly Asia?) rather than what nature has to offer. If you believe in some of the TV channels on nature, you would think Singapore is home to all kinds of wild animals in the tropics.

We have our zoos, many of them in dismal condition — but Singapore added another dimension to its zoo — night safari. I wonder where those animals came from.

It proves a point: we are not good sales people. Nature, like ketchup and pampers, needs to be sold. The sales pitch must be right. We are more concerned about what will happen if foreigners trampled the bushes searching for Mawas than looking at the bigger picture. We will always add another bureaucratic hurdle the moment we sense that other people are interested in us. We make things unnecessarily tough for people to promote us. I won’t be at all surprised if Singapore Zoo introduces its "Bigfoot Rendezvous" soon.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Saturday/Columns/20060225075542/Article/index_html
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|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|jon_downes|jon@cfz.org.uk|02/26/06 at 15:22:23|jon_downes|xx|0|172.209.205.92|From the Hamilton (Ontario) Spectator: 25 Feb. 2006
Stalking Bigfoot
A team of investigators checked out reports of 10-foot-tall giant apes in
the Malaysian rainforest. This is what they found ...
Jan Mcgirk

At first glance it might have seemed like nothing. A four-inch impression in
the mud of the Malaysian rainforest. On closer inspection, however, it
seemed as if it might be the astounding find the expedition had been hoping
for. A footprint of the creature known variously as Bigfoot, Sasquatch, the
tropical Yeti or -- to locals -- the Mawas.

Said to grow up to three metres (about 10 feet), with an awesome armspan,
these undiscovered hominids were at the centre of a flurry of unconfirmed
sightings by frightened plantation workers three months ago.

And in the fading light of the Bukit Lantang woods on the fringe of dense
forest in Johor state, a single splayed print appeared to offer the most
compelling evidence yet that we were on the trail of the mighty beast.

The Mawas appears to have grabbed for support when it teetered off-balance,
because tree branches 11 feet overhead had been damaged, directly above the
spot where the animal's left heel had sunk four inches into a muddy puddle.

A second fresh footprint proved impossible to find, but recent damage to a
rotting log, located a couple of strides away, suggested it had might have
borne a prodigious weight.

For the excitable team of Mawas hunters, mainly a mix of Singapore
enthusiasts and volunteers from the capital Kuala Lumpur, it was
vindication. Even the skeptics, including this reporter, were secretly
impressed.

As with the two extremely faded footprints that had been found preserved in
fresh tar on a nearby road, this print measured roughly 11 by 19 inches. The
Australian tracker Tony Burke, part of the Singapore team, estimated that to
make such a print, an animal would have to weigh at least 240 kilograms
(about 530 pounds).

"I'm a cynic, but if we could see a right footprint as well, we could at
least measure its gait. Maybe if we had some scat, I could be totally
convinced," he said. "I am about 50 per cent there. Let's see what the lab
results are."

An official government committee of research scientists, appointed by Abdul
Ghani Othman, chief minister of Johor state, has been trying to verify
Bigfoot's existence since late January, by interviewing witnesses, setting
up camera traps in its likely haunts, and collecting evidence from tribal
informants in the national parks.

But our paranormal investigators' search party, tailed by an excitable
science-fiction film crew from Los Angeles, was anything but stealthy.

Kong Kam Choy, a 40-year-old construction worker who likes to trek through
the jungle in his free time, convinced the gaggle of researchers to tramp
through a leech-infested grove near a palm plantation where he had come
across unusually big tracks that he could not readily identify.

It was just two hours before dusk, thunder was rumbling and the group was
disappointed, having made a futile afternoon voyage up river to examine a
set of tracks discovered near the Tanjung Sedili creek. These had since been
washed away by tropical downpours and overrun by wild boar.

Then we struck gold.

Kenny Fong, an e-commerce professor who founded Singapore Paranormal
Investigators five years ago, came running when Josh Gates, a sci-fi
documentary maker, summoned him to check out the peculiarly large footprint.

Fong considers himself a debunker who is keen to spot a hoax.

Using a police crime scene kit designed to preserve footprints for court
evidence, he set about the job. A technician required three full bags of
plaster (at about 1lb a bag) to fill the huge depression made by the single
footprint.

As the group gawked and cameras whirred, the print took on that unmistakable
and almost comically ominous Bigfoot shape -- the flat foot with four
rounded digits, plus a gorilla-like big toe jutting out from the side.

"People say Bigfoot doesn't exist, and I have had my doubts. But what else
could it be?" asked Fong, who photographed the group in front of the fresh
paw print.

According to Vincent Chow, a Malaysian bio-diversity expert, this area of
diverse rainforest has been rife with Bigfoot sightings all month. "An
elephant has been foraging in those woods for food, so farmers set off
explosives to frighten it away from their fields," he said. "But animals get
accustomed to these blasts and ignore them. Now we think a Bigfoot family of
three may be shadowing the elephant, who clears the way.

"Fourteen large footprints were found nearby last Saturday. Then at 4 a.m.,
workers were awakened by 10 minutes of weird hooting, a kind of call and
response session, while they were asleep at a palm oil plantation."

The planter, Abdul Rahman Ahmad, said his terrified workers at Komping Lukut
described the eerie night cries as long drawls in three distinct pitches.

"They said it sounded like squeals of wild pigs mixed up with the deep barks
of gibbons ," he recounted. Chow speculated that at least three different
animals, which the local tribes call Hantu Jarang Gigi, or "snaggle-toothed
ghosts", must have been involved in this curious chorus.

Historical records show eight claimed sightings of enormous apemen in
southern Malaysia that date back to 1871, and the Orang Asli tribes who
inhabit the forest famously dread an encounter with these shy, oversized
apes, known variously as Sasquatch in Canada, Yowie in eastern Australia,
Bigfoot in the western United States or the Yeti in the Himalayas.

The creature is almost ubiquitous and many cultures throughout the world
have legends about man-beasts. Recorded sightings in North America date back
to the early 1800s. According to some Native American tribes, the Sasquatch
are not flesh-and-blood creatures in the first place but spirits which
appear to humans in times of crisis.

But despite numerous sightings, photos and footprints of often questionable
origin, there has never been conclusive proof that these creatures exist. No
droppings, no bones, no hair and no bodies found -- alive or dead.

So far the same remains true of the Malaysian Mawas.

A photo of the clear new footprints preserved in tar ran in Kuala Lumpur's
leading English daily, the New Straits Times, last Sunday. One group of
local Bigfoot-stalkers claimed to have unearthed evidence that up to 40 of
the reclusive black-furred Mawas hominids were roaming the rainforest
feasting on rambutan, durian, mangoes and fish.

The animals are said to range all along the dense jungle that connects Endau
Rompin, Kota Tinggi and Tanjung Piai districts and are not exclusively
vegetarian. Their huge bulk must also be maintained by hunting jungle fowl
and mule deer near the swamps.

Some scientists theorize that these enormous Malaysian apes might have
descended from Gigantopithecus, a huge primate that roamed southern China
more than 300,000 years ago.

Jane Goodall, probably the most distinguished primatologist in academia, is
an unabashed Bigfoot enthusiast and recently confessed: "I'm a romantic, so
I always wanted them to exist. People from very different backgrounds and
different parts of the world have described very similar creatures behaving
in similar ways and uttering some strikingly similar sounds ... so the
existence of hominids of this sort is a very real probability."

In Malaysia, Mawas-mania is building, fuelled partly by television. The
plaster cast from Bukit Lantang woods will be presented to government
scientists by Syed Abdullah Alattas, a Malaysian celebrity better known as
"Uncle", who stars in a popular reality show called Seekers.

Every week he tracks down the paranormal on camera, invariably surrounded by
a group of female acolytes armed with daggers, who squeal fetchingly
whenever they encounter the unknown.

For our trip, the Seekers crew had brought in an array of arcane equipment,
including remote control robot cameras, infrared goggles and
sound-enhancers, but the fresh footprint was found by chance. During a
demonstration of the sound-boosting sensors before we left for the jungle,
it was easy to distinguish whether restaurant diners were chewing on
breakfast croissants or toast. But, during a 12-hour monitoring period in
the forest, no aural trace of the bigfoot was detected.

Lack of evidence is not likely to slow the bandwagon building momentum in
Kuala Lumpur though. Cartoons show a giant ape straddling the landmark
Petronas Towers and grinning rubber-ape masks are being hawked at traffic
lights in the city centre.

Despite the growing excitement, there have been no urban sightings of
Bigfoot. So far, the only sign of the primates has been found in the
southern wilds, usually close to the water.

The Johor National Park director, Hashim Yusof, is skeptical about the
existence of giant apes, but will not rule out the possibility.

"The Endau-Rompin National Park covers 1,900 square kilometres. We only have
information on half of the flora and fauna inside it," he admitted. The area
lies in roughly the same latitude as Borneo, where thousands of species
unknown to science have recently come to light.

Environmentalists are concerned that the craze to market Bigfoot as a
peace-loving, new-age monster may put the entire rainforest ecology at
risk -- and indeed some think that the sightings may be linked to
environmental changes in the first place.

------------------------------

From the New Straits Times (Malaysia): 25 Feb. 2006
POINT BLANK: Godsend to the tourism industry
Johan Jaaffar

I HAVE to disagree with a Johor exco member who wanted to control
individuals and groups looking for Mr Bigfoot.

According to Press reports, Freddie Long Hoo Hin has instructed all district
officers to detain "trackers" without proper permission. I have a better
idea - capitalise on the interest in the creature. I see money in Bigfoot.

I am sure Johor wants to sell itself as nature's heaven. Bigfoot is a
godsend to the Johor tourism industry. Why kill the buzz?

After all, publicity is good for tourism. Long's statement would only hurt
the State's policy to promote eco-tourism. The excuse given was that the
pursuit of Bigfoot will affect the natural habitats where the creature
supposedly roams. Yang Berhormat, the culprits are our own people, raping
the jungles and forests and cutting trees indiscriminately.

The way I look at it, the State Government should engage any of the TV
channels dedicated to nature to produce a highly publicised campaign in
search of Bigfoot. Remember the hyped "Mammoth" programme on TV?

They capitalised on some fossils found in the Arctic and turned it into a
global TV event. The channel covered every aspect of the so-called
"discovery and study" - even moving the remnants to a "research area".
Scientists, naturalists and even DNA experts were there to add to the
unfolding drama. It was TV at its showy best. It was one of the most watched
programmes on the channel. Much ado about nothing you say. But, hey, that's
show business.

Johor should jump on to the Bigfoot bandwagon. Strategise what to do. Start
a "Bigfoot Trail" - encourage tourists to follow a planned route in the
jungle. Add some mystery to that - the footprints, the sleeping areas, the
possible eating places. And of course stories about "small broken branches
as high as five metres from the ground" to give you an idea of how big this
guy is. Come out with booklets, pamphlets, brochures, whatever, on Bigfoot.

We have the "stuff" yet we will certainly blow the chances to smithereens
just like many others. We are still one of the few countries in the world
which can claim to have large expanses of virgin tropical jungle.

OK, timber concessions are still given out for reasons best known to those
who give them out, our rivers are being polluted and our hillslopes are
threatened by development. Our mangrove swamps, too, are fast dwindling. It
took more than a hundred Malaysian lives to make us understand how
vulnerable our beaches are to tsunami.

Bigfoot stories are nothing new. Locals are incensed by the term "Bigfoot"
used by the Press; ironically even the Malay papers are using the term.
Johoreans have a word for it, Mawas and it has been around since time
immemorial. Mawas is a stuff of legends in many isolated villages in some
districts in Johor. Growing up in Muar, the Mawas story was as scary as that
of marauders looking for children's heads to be used as sacrifices for the
building of bridges.

Mawas back then was a horrifying enough symbol to silence small children
crying in the night. Mawas has been part of my nightmare. I was told by my
uncles that when the jungle was opened up for farmland, many saw the Mawas.
As the legend goes, the hairy creature is about two metres tall, walks like
a gorilla and has its hidung terbalik (nose upside down).

It can be ferocious protecting its turf. As humans encroached into its
territories, it became understandably gru- mpier. Humans would avoid them or
shoo them away. I have not heard anyone being killed by Mawas though. But
there were stories of close encounters - a guy I was told about escaped
serious injury when the Mawas' powerful fingers smacked him on the
shoulders.

As late as the mid-1960s, stories of Mawas being sighted still made its
rounds. But as more areas were opened for cultivation and human settlements
began dotting what were once jungle and forests, Mawas just diminished into
oblivion. So, the latest stories surfacing in Kota Tinggi certainly
interests me and my generation. OK, it has now evolved into Bigfoot and
Orang Lenggong, not the Mawas that frightened me as a child. But who cares?
Call it by any name. If at all it exists, we have a 21st Century jungle
legend in the making.

To add credibility to the stories, those who are tracking them are "experts"
in their own right. Biodiversity researcher Vincent Chow told reporters that
the latest evidence found at Kampung Lukut Cina in Panti indicated that the
creature is at least three metres in height.

There are also an American film crew, members of the Singapore Paranormal
Investigators, a journalist from a respected daily in the United Kingdom and
local researchers in the area. The footprints discovered earlier by a
16-member international team are certainly the hottest topic discussed in
Johor today other than the latest gossip about Mawi the singer.

After all, no one can prove the existence of the Loch Ness monster or the
Abominable Snowman. Imagine what the elusive monster at Loch Ness has done
to the economy of the sleepy Scottish town of Inverness and its surrounding
areas.There is a full-fledged tourism industry capitalising on the legend.
We should be thinking along those lines, not erecting barriers and adding
more red tape. Even if Mawas is never found, etch Mawas into the collective
consciousness of nature lovers the world over. At least that will put the
district of Kota Tinggi on the map.

Yes, we should be the poster boy of the environment. And eco-tourism should
be our strongest money-earner. We still have elephants, tapirs, tigers,
poisonous snakes and now Mawas. Yet, we are only interested in selling our
people, food and shopping havens (Truly Asia?) rather than what nature has
to offer. If you believe in some of the TV channels on nature, you would
think Singapore is home to all kinds of wild animals in the tropics.

We have our zoos, many of them in dismal condition - but Singapore added
another dimension to its zoo - night safari. I wonder where those animals
came from.

It proves a point: we are not good sales people. Nature, like ketchup and
pampers, needs to be sold. The sales pitch must be right. We are more
concerned about what will happen if foreigners trampled the bushes searching
for Mawas than looking at the bigger picture. We will always add another
bureaucratic hurdle the moment we sense that other people are interested in
us. We make things unnecessarily tough for people to promote us. I won't be
at all surprised if Singapore Zoo introduces its "Bigfoot Rendezvous" soon.


|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|jon_downes|jon@cfz.org.uk|02/26/06 at 15:22:58|jon_downes|xx|0|172.209.205.92|From the New Straits Times (Malaysia): 24 Feb. 2006
Rope in foreign experts to track Bigfoot

KOTA TINGGI - Foreign experts should be invited to help in the search for
the Johor Bigfoot.

Foreign Affairs Minister and Kota Tinggi MP Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar said
this was necessary as the search had attracted international attention.

Speaking after opening an award ceremony for teachers here, he said reported
sightings of the hairy creature had benefited the district, especially in
attracting foreign visitors.

Syed Hamid added he was inclined to believe in the existence of the Bigfoot,
as there had been many sightings of the creature.

Meanwhile, zoologist Amlir Ayat said it would also help if a common name was
used for the Bigfoot.

He felt it would be a good idea to adopt the name "Orang Dalam" used by the
Orang Asli, like the name Sasquatch for the American Bigfoot, which
originated from the Red Indians. Amlir said there was also a need to clear
the confusion among villagers of mawas or orang utan and the Johor Bigfoot.

According to the book Natural History of Primates, mawas is used in the
Southeast Asian region to refer to the orang utan (Pongo pygmaeus) which can
grow to a height of 1.8m.

Villagers in Kampung Mawai Lama in Kota Tinggi said they were familiar with
mawas and were sure it was not the same as Bigfoot.

"The mawas' feet are not as big as the footprints that have been discovered
so far. I have seen the giant footprints myself and am certain it was not
made by mawas," said fisherman Islah Midi, 62.

His nephew, Ariffin Ali, 38, said he had seen a footprint of the Bigfoot
measuring more than 60cm in the jungles of Endau while searching for timber
a few years ago.

He said he was positive the footprint was not that of a mawas.


|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|jon_downes|jon@cfz.org.uk|02/28/06 at 12:27:35|jon_downes|xx|0|172.203.108.158|From the New Straits Times (Malaysia): 26 Feb. 2006
Bigfoot website lauds Chow - credits researcher with creating awareness
R. Sittamparam

JOHOR BARU, Sun. - An international Bigfoot research website has paid
tribute to Johor biodiversity researcher Vincent Chow for his success in
lobbying the authorities to take the Bigfoot sightings in Johor seriously.

The Bigfoot Research Organisation (BFRO) website, which has a main page
posting titled "Malaysian Government Investigates Sightings", said: "There
is an individual's story in the background of the Malaysian Bigfoot story.

"For some time, Malaysian environmentalist Chow had lobbied Malaysian
authorities to take the sightings seriously and speak openly about them.
Chow eventually succeeded, where no man (in other countries) had done
before.

"We wish we could have been a 'fly on the wall' during that divine moment
when Chow finally made officials see the light, and think rationally about
the sightings, and the enormity of what they may point to."

Many, including senior state government officials and the media here,
recognise 58-year-old Chow's contributions in highlighting the story of the
elusive hairy creature.

It was Chow who tipped off the New Straits Times on its breaking story on
Dec 23 of the trio in Kampung Mawai, Kota Tinggi, who claimed they had seen
a Bigfoot family of two adults and a child.

The story, backed by a picture of a big footprint, sparked off worldwide
interest.

Chow has, over the years, carried out various studies on biodiversity in the
jungles of Johor under the Malaysian Nature Society Johor branch and Johor
National Park Corporation.

His interest in the Johor Bigfoot started as a child when he followed his
father into the jungles near Kluang to check out reports of sightings.

The BFRO also advised the State Government team searching for the creature
to consider installing a dozen or so wireless, live microphones in the
primary search area.

It said the acoustic monitoring could be less intrusive, require very low
maintenance once set up and would help to pinpoint where cameras should be
installed.

It said the audio feed could also be enjoyed on the Net.

"Live streaming audio of forest sounds is a relatively low-cost way to allow
many people around the world to make an emotional and intellectual
connection with Malaysia."


|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|jon_downes|jon@cfz.org.uk|02/28/06 at 12:28:15|jon_downes|xx|0|172.203.108.158|From BBC News: 27 Feb. 2006
Johor bans foreign ape man hunt
By Jonathan Kent
BBC correspondent in Kuala Lumpur

The southern Malaysian state of Johor has threatened to jail foreigners who
venture into its jungles looking for a legendary ape man, dubbed 'Big Foot'.
The state's Forestry Department says Big Foot enthusiasts found on its land
without a permit will face up to three years jail or a fine of up to $2,500.
The hunt for Big Foot has gripped Malaysia after a spate of sightings.
Now authorities are determined that if the ape man exists, Malaysians will
be the first to find him.
Malaysians are being invited to pay just over $1 for a permit to roam around
Johor state's forest reserves, where most of the reported sightings have
taken place.
The state also plans to sponsor a scientific expedition, and although
Malaysia has few primate specialists, foreigners will again not be invited.
Local tourism industry leaders told the BBC the ban on non-Malaysians
entering forest reserves was daft and should be rethought.
The country hopes to lure 20 million foreign visitors next year and its main
attractions are its beaches and its jungles.
Tourism bosses say the move will simply confuse and possibly drive away just
the people they want to attract.


|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|jon_downes|jon@cfz.org.uk|03/01/06 at 15:57:20|jon_downes|xx|0|172.213.195.12|From BBC NEws: 28 Feb. 2006
Hunting for Malaysia's 'Bigfoot'
By Jonathan Kent

The village of Mawai Lama in the Malaysian state of Johor is a sleepy row of
wooden fronted shop-houses set back from the Sedili River.
Yet Mawai is one of the most intriguing places in Malaysia.
According to local historians, Mawai's original name was Mawas, and Mawas is
the name locals give to a legendary creature known the world over as
Bigfoot.
The people of Mawas certainly seem to believe in the creature from which
their village takes its name.
Some, like Aji the boatman, say they have seen it.
"It was about 10 or 11 at night. I saw something, but I didn't know what
sort of creature it was. But I can definitely see the eyes were red. And it
made a noise, Woooooo!" Aji said.
"Maybe it was scared off by my headlight and I was scared by him so we both
rushed off in different directions and later I came back and found the
footprints," he said.
Hunt for food
Mawai lies at one end of the Panti mountains, a densely forested and
steep-sloped ridge at the southern end of the Malay peninsular.
On the other side of the range is Kampung Batu Empat. A few weeks ago some
unusual muddy footprints were found on the road nearby.
Vincent Chow, of the Malaysian Nature Society, had some photos.
"Based on what we've learned, this is the southern end of their migratory
route and because the forests have become fragmented they're rather confined
now," Mr Chow said.
Traces of the muddy prints were still on the road.
"They move around looking for fruits, sometimes they go looking for them in
villages. They're also looking for a mate and for salt."
Prompted by the footprints and a recent spate of sightings, the Johor state
government is planning a team to start looking for Bigfoot.
The reports of sightings are nothing new. Five years ago, while driving up
Malaysia's main North-South highway, public relations consultant Eva Hawa
says she saw a creature fitting Bigfoot's description crossing the road in
broad daylight
"It was hairy, it was big, it was about six to seven feet tall. He moved
right across in front of my car. He has a hunch and walked like a very old
man," she said.
Factors which can be argued in favour of Bigfoot's existence include the
legends from different parts of the world which seem to bear a degree of
similarity to one another, despite having emerged separately. There are the
sightings. And there is the fact that a giant ape, Gigantopithecus blacki,
is known to have lived in Asia until around 300,000 years ago.
And there is the discovery, on the Indonesian island of Flores in late 2004,
of skeletons interpreted by some anthropologists as belonging to a hominid
population dubbed hobbits. There are still natural wonders to be discovered,
even in this day and age, not least in the forests of South East Asia.
The primatologist Jane Goodall is one of those who expect Bigfoot to be
found.
"People from very different backgrounds and different parts of the world
have described very similar creatures behaving in similar ways and uttering
some strikingly similar sounds," she said in a newspaper interview three
years ago. "As far as I am concerned, the existence of hominids of this sort
is a very real probability."
Doubters
However, the doubters - and they are legion - ask why no giant ape remains
more recent than a quarter of a million years old have been found. And as
the forests and wilderness shrink, why has Bigfoot not broken cover and been
definitively recorded?
One man who has no doubts is Abdul Rahman Ahmad, a former factory manager.
His late brother was Johor's Chief Game Warden and had seen Bigfoot
footprints 30 years ago.
When we arrived to visit him, Abdul Rahman was very excited.
"Four days ago my [workers] heard Bigfoot calling in the jungle. They've
found footprints."
Early the next morning, accompanied by four of Abdul Rahman's Indonesian
workers, we set off to find the site where the prints were spotted. As we
trekked through the forest there was a crashing in the trees. We had
disturbed a herd of wild water buffalo.
But when we got to the riverside where the workers said they had seen
Bigfoot tracks, all we found was buffalo hoof marks. There was nothing. We
pressed on. I was shown a branch "broken by Bigfoot", another stripped of
leaves "by the ape man".
For almost three hours the Indonesians led us through the trees, through
rivers and for all I know around in circles.
Finally we reached the first river at a point higher up than we had
originally explored.
And there, beside the river, in the soft sand, were footprints.
They were distinctive, perhaps 20cm across and 40, perhaps 45cm long.
There was a bulge where a human corn might be, as though the foot had an
opposable thumb rather than a big toe. There were three of them, some better
defined, some more complete, than others.
All I can tell you is they were big, they were foot shaped and they were
there.


|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Richard_F|richard@cfz.org.uk|03/10/06 at 17:26:13|richard_f|xx|0|86.128.204.170|      
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March 02, 2006
Anomalous Apes in the Panti Mountains

Mawas_1 The Sage of Singapore, whose predictions appeared exclusively in this blog on New Year’s Day, has already had a remarkable year, with both his prognostications for January and February coming to pass (Kim Jong Il disappeared earlier than predicted and was back in North Korea for his birthday, I know – but that is a quibble). So it’s no surprise that his prophecy for March has already been fulfilled.

Peninsula Malaysia is abuzz with sightings of the Mawas, the huge hairy ape-like creature, regarded by some as an Asian cousin to the North American Bigfoot. Jan McGirk of The Independent went in search of it recently, and Jonathan Kent of the BBC interviewed people who had encountered the creature, near the town of Mawai below the Panti mountains.

“It was about 10 or 11 at night,” a local boatman named Aji told him.

   “I saw something, but I didn't know what sort of creature it was. But I can definitely see the eyes were red. And it made a noise, Woooooo! Maybe it was scared off by my headlight and I was scared by him so we both rushed off in different directions and later I came back and found the footprints.”

   Five years ago, while driving up Malaysia's main North-South highway, public relations consultant Eva Hawa says she saw a creature fitting Bigfoot's description crossing the road in broad daylight. "It was hairy, it was big, it was about six to seven feet tall. He moved right across in front of my car. He has a hunch and walked like a very old man," she said.

The man from the BBC even came across evidence of the hirsute hominid himself.

   And there, beside the river, in the soft sand, were footprints. They were distinctive, perhaps 20cm across and 40, perhaps 45cm long. There was a bulge where a human corn might be, as though the foot had an opposable thumb rather than a big toe. There were three of them, some better defined, some more complete, than others. All I can tell you is they were big, they were foot shaped and they were there.

|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|shearluck|lewisoll@yahoo.co.uk|03/20/06 at 14:13:29|shearluck|xx|0|86.131.84.156|[quote]‘Keep up momentum on Bigfoot’
R. Sittamparam

KOTA TINGGI, Mon
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The State Government should sustain the momentum on the Johor Bigfoot phenomenon by displaying purported Bigfoot artefacts and providing regular reports on exploration findings.

Kota Tinggi MP Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar, who is also Foreign Minister, said he was pleased with the great interest generated abroad by the Johor Bigfoot.

Referring to footage recently shown on the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) World Service, he said the report on Bigfoot sightings and footprints here had put Johor on the world map.

Speaking to reporters at the Umno Kota Tinggi division family day function here yesterday, Syed Hamid said: "It’s important that Johor through the relevant departments takes the necessary action to keep the Bigfoot interest going.

"They can set up some Bigfoot paraphernalia in Kota Tinggi or identify areas with frequent Bigfoot sightings and preserve the evidence for promoting eco-tourism."

Meanwhile, bio-diversity researcher Vincent Chow said the State Forestry and Wildlife Departments should take up Syed Hamid’s suggestion to collect evidence on the many Bigfoot sightings here.

He said the Wildlife Department should set up an action team to immediately investigate reports of Bigfoot sightings.

"The most recent sighting of a Bigfoot by two plantation workers in Ulu Sungai Johor could have been optimised by the Wildlife Department to collect a lot of information, and possibly even get a photograph of the creature.

"The workers said they had seen similar creatures near the river on several occasions."

Chow said if the Wildlife Department had stationed rangers there, they could have obtained proof of the creature.

Chow said the workers also claimed to have seen the Bigfoot carrying a wild boar and tearing it to pieces for its meal.

"If wildlife experts had been there and collected the wild boar’s carcass, they could have tested it for DNA from the Bigfoot’s saliva."

Chow added that the Wildlife Department should equip its action team with audio and video recording instruments.

He said it was not necessary for the Bigfoot expedition team to concentrate on Endau-Rompin National Park, as the creature appeared to be more in Kota Tinggi.

"The expedition should be limited to areas where the Bigfoot has been seen (recently), as the Bigfoot sightings in Endau-Rompin were recorded more than a decade ago."
[/quote]|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|shearluck|lewisoll@yahoo.co.uk|03/21/06 at 13:28:35|shearluck|xx|0|86.131.91.164|[quote]Team to do DNA test on Bigfoot’s footprint

By MEERA VIJAYAN

meera@thestar.com.my  

JOHOR BARU: After all the publicity surrounding the elusive Bigfoot, a DNA test will be carried out on the cast of a giant footprint found in the forest here to determine its existence once and for all.  

Local paranormal investigator Syed Abdullah Al-Attas the host of Seekers, said he hoped the print of a left foot would provide some clues about Bigfoot.  

Seekers is a local programme on paranormal activities, aired over ntv7.  


“We did not find any droppings or fur. The DNA test for the footprint is our best shot at ascertaining its origins,” he said in a telephone interview.  

Syed Abdullah said the footprint, measuring 45.5cm by 36cm, was among several spotted by a team of paranormal investigators on Feb 21.  

The team comprised four investigators from Seekers, four from the US-based Destination Truth and three from Singapore Paranormal Investigators (SPI).  

SPI founder Dr Kenny Fong said they did not spot Bigfoot but stumbled on the prints during intermittent rain, just as the forest in Kg Lukut, Kota Tinggi was getting dark.  

“We were shocked when we saw the prints. I thought to myself, 'this thing is real'. I was pretty sure the prints did not belong to any other animal,” he said, adding that all the team members were literally jumping for joy.  

According to him, there were about a dozen prints in the area, with the most distinct one having a print before and after it, spaced about 1.5m apart.  

A stretch of trees appeared to have been violently torn down  

“I would say the prints were fresh and less than an hour old then. The rain had made the particular portion of the ground soft and the shape was excellent,” he said.  


He explained that in order to make the cast, hair spray was sprayed on evenly all over the footprint. Plaster powder was then mixed with purified water until it turned into a creamy substance and poured carefully into the cavity of the footprint.  

It took an hour for the substance to harden before the team could dig the cast out.  

“We had to be very gentle as we didn’t want to break or destroy the purity of the print,” he said adding that the hair spray helped the soil to stick to the cast.  

“The bottom of the cast still has the original soil that came into direct contact with the foot.”  
[/quote]

Hairspray would however be bad news for the presevation of the dna there, should there be any. It seems they can't decide weather they want a good cast or the possibility of a dna test.

Sadly there is unlikely to be enough bigfoot dna to be able to do a test even if they weren't faffing about with hairspray and plaster, the top tayer of the soil is likely to be full of detritus containing dna from other sources, too much to search through, tissue samples are the only real viable way to test dna.|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|shearluck|lewisoll@yahoo.co.uk|03/21/06 at 14:11:10|shearluck|xx|0|86.131.91.164|[quote]Cold feet over hunt for Bigfoot

By MEERA VIJAYAN

JOHOR BARU: With all the hype about Bigfoot, one would have thought that the Forestry Department would be swarmed with people wanting to track down the mystical creature.  

The department even printed 500 forms for people to apply to enter the forest in search of Bigfoot.  

But there are no takers.  

“We thought that with all the interest in Bigfoot, we would have a lot of enquiries from the public. However, this is not the case,” State Forestry Department director Che Hashim Hassan said.  

Asked if it was possible that people were entering the forests illegally, Che Hashim said his forest rangers had not seen anyone.  

“At any time, we have 25 rangers patrolling the area in Kahang, even at night,” he said.  

“They have neither spotted Bigfoot nor trespassers.”  

The department has not organised tours to take adventure seekers into the forest with the hope of seeing Bigfoot.  

“We have not seen compelling evidence on the existence of Bigfoot. I don’t think we will be organising such tours,” Che Hashim added.  

He also said that those interested in entering the state's permanent forest reserves totalling 368,821ha would have to apply for a permit at the cost of RM150 per entry.  

The applicant is allowed to bring as many people into the forest as long as the names of those entering as well as their IC numbers are submitted at the time of application.  

Bigfoot stories began appearing in the media in December and several expeditions had been organised since.  

People claimed to have heard distinctive howling emanating from the jungle in the wee hours of the morning and to have seen the creature’s footprints.  

[/quote]|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|shearluck|lewisoll@yahoo.co.uk|03/21/06 at 14:47:20|shearluck|xx|0|86.131.91.164|[quote]10 minutes with Vincent Chow: Driven by close encounter with creature

R. SITTAMPARAM
March 4:

The Bigfoot story has its fair share of sceptics and believers. But Vincent Chow, a biodiversity researcher and Bigfoot enthusiast, is one person who is steadfast in his belief that the creature does exist. He speaks to R. SITTAMPARAM.


Q: What is your response to being dubbed by the Bigfoot Research Organisation (BFRO) as the man who successfully lobbied the Johor Government to take Bigfoot sightings in the State seriously and speak openly about them?

A: It is a one-sided view. This opening for Bigfoot research in Johor is due to the fact that we have a very responsive Menteri Besar who sees beyond the Bigfoot phenomena in safeguarding and promoting Johor's rich biodiversity. Given his academic background Abdul Ghani Othman could see the potential of the Bigfoot phenomena which is part of Johor's unique fauna, in putting the State on the world map.

Q: Do you personally believe that the Johor Bigfoot exists?

A: Yes, based on my personal experience as a young boy when I have seen enough Bigfoot footprints and had a frightening close encounter with the creature.

It was during an evening hunting trip with my father and his friends at the edge of the jungle near my hometown in Kluang, when I was 13 years' old. We suddenly saw the trees shaking as if something big was passing through the area. An old and experienced hunter I knew as Panjang told me it was not any common mammal like the elephant.

The following day on checking the area where the movement was seen we found evidence like broken twigs and branches that showed something big had passed through. Since then I have always been curious.

I have followed my father who was also fascinated by the Bigfoot to check out several sightings in the early 60s in Air Hitam, Machap, Simpang Renggam and Kulai and saw giant footprints. The older generation in these towns can remember these sightings.

Q: Can you clear the air on the confusion over the Mawas and Bigfoot?

A: I think the confusion was caused due to the adoption of the name Mawas for the Bigfoot by early settlers from Indonesia, where the orang utan is called Mawas. So when the settlers, especially at Kota Tinggi, saw the Bigfoot they thought it was some type of orang utan and even named their village Kampung Mawas which later came to be known as Kampung Mawai.

Q: What is your answer to the cynics who say that the Bigfoot story is pure fiction and that the Bigfoot was actually an orang utan?

A: Again it is due to the confusion caused by the name, Mawas. Village people who have sighted Bigfoot refer to it as Mawas but the description they give does not fit that of the orang utan.

Yesterday I talked to an old man at Kampung Mawai where many of the recent Bigfoot sightings have occurred. He told me that he saw a hairy creature of about two metres tall, catching fish at a swamp just like a human being. It was upright all the time.

The old man said he was about 40m away and could see the orange coloured hair, upturned nose and slight hunch of the creature which I believe to be a juvenile Bigfoot.

This cannot be an orang utan which are tree dwellers and walk on all fours. Their footprints would also not be so big and deep.

Q: What do you feel about the wide foreign interest in the Johor Bigfoot?

A: It will benefit Johor but we have to screen foreign groups who arrive here to look for the Bigfoot to see where their interest lies. We should not entertain those with doubtful reasons especially those who come to take scientific evidence back to their countries to claim as their own finding. That kind of ownership must go to Malaysia.

The foreign media who arrived here so far including the British Broadcasting Corporation, have only made short documentaries based on interviews with eye witnesses and the creature's footprints in secondary jungles.

However a blanket ban would not be conducive for the State's eco-tourism.

Q: Based on the evidence so far, can the Johor Bigfoot be found soon?

A: A full-scale scientific expedition with scientists equipped with state-of-the-art equipment will have a good chance of capturing its sounds or visuals but they have to be very stealthy as from what we know of the creature, it is intelligent enough to evade humans.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Saturday/National/20060304075713/Article/index_html[/quote]|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|retrocrypto|neilthemod@blueyonder.co.uk|03/22/06 at 19:51:58|retrocrypto|xx|0|82.34.62.107|The Sun 22.3.06


A JUNGLE hunt began yesterday for the mythical Bigfoot after three giant apes were spotted.
Experts are preparing to set up cameras after farmers saw two ten-foot adults and a youngster in Endau Rompin, Malaysia.

They later found 17-inch footprints and a clump of smelly hair.

Nature chief Lim Teong said: “Sightings have been reported for decades but weren’t taken seriously for lack of evidence.”

|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|03/24/06 at 08:19:08|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.103.154|Johor serious about search for Bigfoot
March 24 2006

JOHOR BARU:

The Johor Government is fully committed to investigating the Johor Bigfoot phenomenon and will not condone any destruction of "evidence" that could prove the creature's presence.

State Tourism and Environment Committee chairman Freddie Long said it was therefore wrong to accuse the State Forestry Department of destroying purported Bigfoot footprints found in secondary forest at Kampung Temening in Kota Tinggi.

Long said the bulldozing of a 10m stretch of forest, where giant footprints and "evidence" were found on a tarred road and muddy forest floor last month, could have been done by the land owner.

"The land on which this evidence was found is private land and we have no jurisdiction to do anything there," he said in response to a New Straits Times article yesterday, which reported that authorities had plugged the unregulated tourist influx from Singapore to the village area by bulldozing the secondary forest where the Bigfoot evidence was found.

Asked why the State Government had not advised villagers in the area on ways to optimise on the eco-tourism potential of interest in Bigfoot, he said this was difficult as the villagers themselves did not believe the creature existed.

Long said he and officials from the Johor Wildlife and Forestry departments had together visited the spots where the Bigfoot footprints and "evidence" were discovered.

"We could not find solid evidence of Bigfoot there and we found that the people there remained unconvinced.

"As the Bigfoot 'evidence' is largely on private land in Kota Tinggi, there is little we can do to promote Bigfoot tours."

Long said the state Bigfoot research steering committee was searching Johor jungles for evidence.

He said since Dec 30, the Johor National Park Corporation and state Wildlife and Forestry departments had carried out short expeditions in the jungles of Kahang, Endau-Rompin, Lenggor, Padang Temumbun and Sungai Semerong.

"The Bigfoot research steering committee, which I chair, has decided to organise the state's official Bigfoot expedition on May 15 to 20.

"A total of seven scientists from local universities in various disciplines such as zoology, primatology and IT will join the expedition together with relevant government agencies and representatives from non-governmental organisations."

Long also clarified that the State Government had not banned foreign Bigfoot experts and enthusiasts from investigating the Bigfoot phenomenon in Johor.

"They can send in their applications to us and we will arrange for them to carry out their studies as soon as the local expedition is completed by the end of May," he said.

He urged those with information on Bigfoot to contact the committee's hotline at 07-2222221. He said the committee would promptly investigate any sightings.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Friday/National/20060324082315/Article/index_html
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|03/24/06 at 08:26:50|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.103.154|Bigfoot footprints destroyed

R. Sittamparam
March 23 2006
KOTA TINGGI:

Tracks resembling giant footprints in forests around Kampung Lukut and Kampung Temening are being erased, seemingly to distract foreign tour groups on Bigfoot sighting expeditions here.

The authorities have cut the eco-tourist influx at these villages and nearby foothills by bulldozing and clearing the secondary forest where the Bigfoot footprints and other evidence were discovered.

A check by the New Straits Times showed the secondary jungle area beside the tar road where a set of Bigfoot footprints was first found by local jungle trekker Kong Nam Choy on Jan 16 had been cleared.

Foreign tour groups have been coming in big numbers and according to locals, this new eco-tourism activity had started after an expedition on Feb 20 by a team of local and foreign media members and researchers.

The team comprising American and local film crews, members of the Singapore Paranormal Investigators and a foreign newspaper journalist were led by Kong to discover fresh Bigfoot footprints at Kampung Lukut.

The team produced the first plaster cast of a clear footprint, believed to have been made by the Johor Bigfoot, which was widely reported in the local and foreign media.

It is believed that since then tour groups in Singapore had been organising Bigfoot tours to Kota Tinggi, for foreign and local tourists although this brought no benefit to locals.

Kong said yesterday that tourists would arrive in cars and vans as early as 6am to trek into the secondary jungle at the two villages, looking for evidence of Bigfoot.

It is sad to note that the authorities who showed little interest in promoting eco-tourism here had chosen to take this most irrational step to stop the foreign visitors following the global interest in the Johor Bigfoot.

Biodiversity researcher, Vincent Chow said with some help from the relevant authorities, the villagers in the area could have reaped some benefits from the tourism potential of the area.

"The people's representative here should look into developing this eco-tourism potential and charge visitors a fee to enter their land and provide car parking or guide service.

"The whole of Kota Tinggi should be promoted as Bigfoot country as eco-tourism has already been generated by the Bigfoot phenomena here."

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Thursday/National/20060323082517/Article/index_html
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|shearluck|lewisoll@yahoo.co.uk|03/25/06 at 19:20:30|shearluck|xx|0|86.131.103.154|two stories that complement each other here:

[quote]Bigfoot footprints destroyed
By R. Sittamparam

KOTA TINGGI:
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Tracks resembling giant footprints in forests around Kampung Lukut and Kampung Temening are being erased, seemingly to distract foreign tour groups on Bigfoot sighting expeditions here.


The authorities have cut the eco-tourist influx at these villages and nearby foothills by bulldozing and clearing the secondary forest where the Bigfoot footprints and other evidence were discovered.

A check by the New Straits Times showed the secondary jungle area beside the tar road where a set of Bigfoot footprints was first found by local jungle trekker Kong Nam Choy on Jan 16 had been cleared.

Foreign tour groups have been coming in big numbers and according to locals, this new eco-tourism activity had started after an expedition on Feb 20 by a team of local and foreign media members and researchers.

The team comprising American and local film crews, members of the Singapore Paranormal Investigators and a foreign newspaper journalist were led by Kong to discover fresh Bigfoot footprints at Kampung Lukut.

The team produced the first plaster cast of a clear footprint, believed to have been made by the Johor Bigfoot, which was widely reported in the local and foreign media.

It is believed that since then tour groups in Singapore had been organising Bigfoot tours to Kota Tinggi, for foreign and local tourists although this brought no benefit to locals.

Kong said yesterday that tourists would arrive in cars and vans as early as 6am to trek into the secondary jungle at the two villages, looking for evidence of Bigfoot.

It is sad to note that the authorities who showed little interest in promoting eco-tourism here had chosen to take this most irrational step to stop the foreign visitors following the global interest in the Johor Bigfoot.

Biodiversity researcher, Vincent Chow said with some help from the relevant authorities, the villagers in the area could have reaped some benefits from the tourism potential of the area.

"The people’s representative here should look into developing this eco-tourism potential and charge visitors a fee to enter their land and provide car parking or guide service.

"The whole of Kota Tinggi should be promoted as Bigfoot country as eco-tourism has already been generated by the Bigfoot phenomena here."

[/quote]

[quote]Johor serious about search for Bigfoot

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JOHOR BARU: The Johor Government is fully committed to investigating the Johor Bigfoot phenomenon and will not condone any destruction of "evidence" that could prove the creature’s presence.

State Tourism and Environment Committee chairman Freddie Long said it was therefore wrong to accuse the State Forestry Department of destroying purported Bigfoot footprints found in secondary forest at Kampung Temening in Kota Tinggi.

Long said the bulldozing of a 10m stretch of forest, where giant footprints and "evidence" were found on a tarred road and muddy forest floor last month, could have been done by the land owner.

"The land on which this evidence was found is private land and we have no jurisdiction to do anything there," he said in response to a New Straits Times article yesterday, which reported that authorities had plugged the unregulated tourist influx from Singapore to the village area by bulldozing the secondary forest where the Bigfoot evidence was found.

Asked why the State Government had not advised villagers in the area on ways to optimise on the eco-tourism potential of interest in Bigfoot, he said this was difficult as the villagers themselves did not believe the creature existed.

Long said he and officials from the Johor Wildlife and Forestry departments had together visited the spots where the Bigfoot footprints and "evidence" were discovered.

"We could not find solid evidence of Bigfoot there and we found that the people there remained unconvinced.

"As the Bigfoot ‘evidence’ is largely on private land in Kota Tinggi, there is little we can do to promote Bigfoot tours."

Long said the state Bigfoot research steering committee was searching Johor jungles for evidence.

He said since Dec 30, the Johor National Park Corporation and state Wildlife and Forestry departments had carried out short expeditions in the jungles of Kahang, Endau-Rompin, Lenggor, Padang Temumbun and Sungai Semerong.

"The Bigfoot research steering committee, which I chair, has decided to organise the state’s official Bigfoot expedition on May 15 to 20.

"A total of seven scientists from local universities in various disciplines such as zoology, primatology and IT will join the expedition together with relevant government agencies and representatives from non-governmental organisations."

Long also clarified that the State Government had not banned foreign Bigfoot experts and enthusiasts from investigating the Bigfoot phenomenon in Johor.

"They can send in their applications to us and we will arrange for them to carry out their studies as soon as the local expedition is completed by the end of May," he said.

He urged those with information on Bigfoot to contact the committee’s hotline at 07-2222221. He said the committee would promptly investigate any sightings.

[/quote]

Personally, in my opinion the amount of claim and counter claim coming out of Johor leaves me doubting the authenticity of many of the witness statements, I don't understand the amount of press coverage this one cryptid has received over the past few weeks, it smells a bit of a government pr campaign to entice tourists to the area.||03/25/06 at 19:43:42|shearluck Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|shearluck|lewisoll@yahoo.co.uk|03/26/06 at 17:35:23|shearluck|xx|0|86.131.103.154|[quote]Ringing phone thwarted me, says Bigfoot hunter

R. Sittamparam
March 25 2006

KOTA TINGGI: A recent close encounter with the Johor Bigfoot near Gunung Panti has turned a construction worker into a full-time Bigfoot hunter.

Kong Nam Choy, 38, who loves jungle trekking and lives alone in Kampung Lukut, found the first clear Bigfoot footprints on a tar road in Kampung Temening here in January.

He also led a team of local and foreign filming crews which found fresh Bigfoot footprints in the secondary forest near the same area on Feb 20.

The team succeeded in making the first plaster casts of the footprints of the Johor Bigfoot.

Kong guided a team of State Government officials including State Tourism and Environment committee chairman, Freddie Long to check for evidence of Bigfoot in Panti recently.

Recounting his Bigfoot encounter, Kong claimed he saw the creature going down a hill in Kampung Lukut.

Kong who often goes into the jungles of Kota Tinggi to enjoy the cool and peaceful environment, said he was alerted by a rustling sound at the hill slope in front of him.

"Fearing that it was an elephant I quickly hid behind a rock.

"It was then that I saw the Bigfoot which was more than three metres tall emerging from the jungle. It walked with a slight crouch like an old man.

"I was shaking all over with fear thinking that the creature might come towards me. However, to my relief, it stopped about 30m away and sat down on a log."

Kong said the creature, which was covered with black hair, raised one of its huge arms, the size of a man's thigh, and began rubbing its face.

He said he could see clearly its bushy eyebrows and long incisors jutting out slightly at the corner of its mouth.

"Although I was scared, I managed to take out my camera and emerged from behind the rock.

"But before I could take a picture, my handphone rang. I panicked, fearing that the creature would come after me. But it just got up, glanced at me and hurried back into the jungle."

Earlier this month, two plantation workers at Ulu Sungai Johor claimed to have seen Bigfoot as they were going to the river for a bath.

Those with information on the Bigfoot are requested to call the State's Bigfoot Research Committee at 07-2222221.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Saturday/National/20060325074825/Article/index_html
[/quote]|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|shearluck|lewisoll@yahoo.co.uk|03/26/06 at 18:09:00|shearluck|xx|0|86.131.103.154|[quote]Are Malaysian Bigfoot Colonies Really Orangutans?
National pride, long term observations, reports of a colony, and a supposedly novel theory are the breaking news out of Malaysia today. But wait a minute, is the Johor Wildlife Protection Society merely talking about orangutans?
News out of Malaysia on February 18, 2006, indicates that the Johor Wildlife Protection Society says they have:
scientific evidence to prove the existence of Bigfoot whose reported sightings recently in the Johor jungles have excited the world’s media. Not just one Bigfoot but a whole colony of the giant, hairy creatures which the society named "Orang Lenggor" (Lenggor People) as one was spotted in an area by that name, said the society’s secretary Tay Teng Hwa.
Noting they will make the evidence public soon, they report they have studied the cryptids for six years and interacted directly with them.
The Johor Wildlife Protection Society claims:
The adult creatures are between 10 and 12 feet tall while their children are 6 to 7 footers. Seventy per cent of the Orang Lenggor have a human appearance but the rest resemble apes…They like to eat fish and fruits they gather in the jungles, including durian. They also have a liking for river water that contai ns dissolved salt and would walk for miles to get it.
A key here is durian, the favorite fruit of an ape we already know a lot about. Is the society talking about orangutans (Pongo pygmaeus), a species that currently inhabits only the islands of Sumatra and Borneo? The orangutan was once found throughout Indo-China, Malaysia and north to China. Fossil evidence discussed by the anthropologist (famed for his work on the Gigantopithecus), Ralph von Koenigswald, suggests that, during the Pleistocene, orangutan distribution extended from Java in the south, across mainland Asia, and reached up as far north as China. Could these Malaysian "Bigfoot" reports be a relict population of Pongo?
Bernard Heuvelmans tracked orangutan-like cryptids from Assam, Burma, China, and Vietnam, through the literature, and felt (in his 1986 checklist) they could be mainland orangutan populations in other locations than Sumatra and Borneo. Will Malaysia’s "Orang Lenggor" turn out to be orangutans?
The "Orang Lenggor" reportedly have black hair on their bodies when they are young but the hair gradually turns brown as they grew older. The coloration of the orangutan (Pongo pygmaeus) can vary from a reddish-brown to a nearly black coat and with various degrees of hair length.
The society’s timing for revealing its discovery, they allege, is due to foreigners armed with sophisticated equipment who were entering the Johor jungles to track down Bigfoot without the knowledge of the state government.
"We are worried these foreigners might find Bigfoot and then announce to the world as their discovery," they have told the media.
The society is planning to field an expedition to the "Orang Lenggor" colony in either March or April 2006.[/quote]|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|04/12/06 at 08:17:06|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.100.139|Making a fast buck from info on Bigfoot

12 Apr 2006
Chuah Bee Kim

JOHOR BARU:

You want to know about Bigfoot? No problem. How much are you willing to pay?

Information on Bigfoot, according to biodiversity researcher and Bigfoot enthusiast Vincent Chow, is coming at a price as more people clamour to learn about the creature said to be lurking in the jungles of Johor.

Chow claimed that villagers were not as forthcoming with information as before but the minute they were paid, they become very helpful and vocal.

He said villagers were asking for between RM20 and RM200, depending on the kind of information they had or the length of time they spend with the interviewer.

"I think it is reasonable because these villagers are mainly farmers and we need them to bring us to the spot where the footprints are found," Chow said.

He said he had forked out much of his own money researching Bigfoot.

He said the villagers also lashed out at the media for making use of them to get information which sold newspapers without paying them a cent.

"Not even a cup of coffee," was one complaint Chow had heard.

Chow also said he could not understand why some people were complaining of virgin jungles being raped by researchers searching for evidence of Bigfoot.

"The discovery of the Bigfoot footprints is enough to boost tourism, and not every tourist is going to venture into the jungle," he said.

Citing an example, Chow said the published accounts of a 15-metre-long "monster" in a lake near the city of Inverness in northern Scotland had attracted droves of tourists since the 1930s.

"Scotland remains a big tourist draw even though the Loch Ness Monster was proven to be a hoax 12 years ago," he said.

Chow said Kota Tinggi could be turned into a "Bigfoot Haunt", where tourists could buy souvenirs of the creature.

"Homestay programmes which never really took off in Johor can also do with a little Bigfoot publicity," he said.

Chow, incidentally, believes that Bigfoot is a colony of descendants of prehistoric Man, as their unique footprints were reportedly commonly found at the height of jungle-clearing activities in the 1960s.


http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Wednesday/National/20060412074607/Article/index_html
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|04/20/06 at 16:40:42|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.100.139|From Sapa-AFP (Malaysia): April 20, 2006
No baby Bigfoot, say Malaysian officials

Kuala Lumpur - Malaysian wildlife officials denied capturing a baby
"Bigfoot" Thursday, amid fevered speculation over the existence of the
mythical creature in the nation's southern jungles.
The Berita Harian newspaper reported that a young Bigfoot was caught by a
group of men thought to be from the Wildlife and National Parks Department
(Perhilitan) near the southern town of Kota Tinggi two weeks ago.
The paper quoted local residents as saying they had spoken to men who
described shooting the creature with tranquiliser darts. The locals then
peeked into the back of the their truck to see a large, hairy creature.
But the department's director-general Datuk Musa Nordin denied the report.
"During the period reported, Perhilitan did not mount any operation in the
area," Musa said in a statement carried by the official Bernama news agency.
Freddie Long, the Tourism and Environment Committee chairperson in southern
Johor state, said that if a Bigfoot had been captured, it should have been
given to local authorities for research.
Bigfoot fever erupted last December when some workers claimed to have
spotted three of the beasts, two adults and a youngster, on the edge of a
Johor forest reserve.
The tale was given wide coverage in the national press which also carried
stories of other sightings, some dating back decades, and printed
photographs of supposed footprints - vague impressions in the jungle floor.
Local authorities treated the claims seriously, with plans for an official
expedition to track down the mysterious beasts, and setting up a telephone
hotline to report sightings.
Suggestions that the story has been cooked up to lure tourists to Johor have
been denied.
Stories of mythical ape-like creatures have been reported in wilderness
areas all over the world. They are known as Bigfoot or Sasquatch in the
United States and Canada, and yetis in the Himalayas.
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|04/20/06 at 16:46:37|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.100.139|From Bernama (Malaysian Natl. News Agcy.): 19 April 2006
Perhilitan Denies Catching Young Bigfoot

KUALA LUMPUR, April 19 (Bernama) -- The Wildlife and National Parks
Department (Perhilitan) Wednesday denied having caught a young Bigfoot in a
forest near the Tanjung Leman Jetty in Mersing.

Perhilitan Director-General Datuk Musa Nordin said none of its staff either
from its headquarters in Kuala Lumpur or Johor had captured a young Bigfoot
in the forest.

The Malay daily Berita Harian today reported that a young Bigfoot was caught
by a group of 10 men believed to be from Perhilitan after it had been shot
with a tranquilizer near the jetty, about 70 km from Kota Tinggi, two weeks
ago.

"During the period reported, Perhilitan did not mount any operation in the
area," Musa said in a statement today.

In JOHOR BAHARU, State Tourism and Environment Committee Chairman Freddie
Long said if it was true that the creature existed and had been captured, it
should be surrendered to the Johor government for further action including
for research.

He was met after attending the State Executive Council weekly meeting at
Bangunan Sultan Ibrahim.

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From the New Straits Times (Malaysia): 19 April 2006
'Bigfoot' cannot be brought out of Johor without permission
Sim Bak Heng

JOHOR BARU, Tues:

NO injury of any kind - including shooting - should be inflicted on Bigfoot
(if it exists), which the Johor Government has classified as a
totally-protected species.

The creature also cannot be brought out of the State should it be caught
without the permission from the relevant State authorities.

The orders came following a report today that enforcement officers from the
Wildlife Department in Kuala Lumpur were believed to have shot and caught a
baby Bigfoot in Kota Tinggi two weeks ago.

State Environment and Tourism Committee chairman Freddie Long said:

"We are not sure if the department's officers had caught a baby Bigfoot. I
only knew about it from newspapers today," he said after attending the
weekly State Executive Council meeting here today.

It was reported ten men, believed to be from the Wildlife Department,
entered the forests near the Tanjung Leman jetty area, about 70km from here,
in three 4WD vehicles and camped there two weeks ago.

They were said to have encountered a family of Bigfoot and subsequently shot
a young one using tranquiliser gun.
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Richard_F|richard@cfz.org.uk|04/21/06 at 11:59:56|richard_f|xx|0|86.128.23.48|Malaysia denies capturing baby "Bigfoot"
Apr 20 1:11 PM US/Eastern
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Malaysian wildlife officials denied capturing a baby "Bigfoot," amid fevered speculation over the existence of the mythical creature in the nation's southern jungles.

The Berita Harian newspaper reported that a young Bigfoot was caught by a group of men thought to be from the Wildlife and National Parks Department (Perhilitan) near the southern town of Kota Tinggi two weeks ago.

The paper quoted local residents as saying they had spoken to men who described shooting the creature with tranquiliser darts. The locals then peeked into the back of the their truck to see a large, hairy creature.

But the department's director-general Datuk Musa Nordin denied the report.

"During the period reported, Perhilitan did not mount any operation in the area," Musa said in a statement carried by the official Bernama news agency.

Freddie Long, the Tourism and Environment Committee chairman in southern Johor state, said that if a Bigfoot had been captured, it should have been given to local authorities for research.

Bigfoot fever erupted last December when some workers claimed to have spotted three of the beasts, two adults and a youngster, on the edge of a Johor forest reserve.

The tale was given wide coverage in the national press which also carried stories of other sightings, some dating back decades, and printed photographs of supposed footprints -- vague impressions in the jungle floor.

Local authorities treated the claims seriously, with plans for an official expedition to track down the mysterious beasts, and setting up a telephone hotline to report sightings.

Suggestions that the story has been cooked up to lure tourists to Johor have been denied.

Stories of mythical ape-like creatures have been reported in wilderness areas all over the world. They are known as Bigfoot or Sasquatch in the United States and Canada, and yetis in the Himalayas.

|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|04/23/06 at 11:40:03|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.100.139|From the New Straits Times (Malaysia): 21 April 2006
Poser over baby Bigfoot poachers
R. Sittamparam

KOTA TINGGI: Could the people in four-wheel-drive vehicles and a truck
purportedly carrying a baby Bigfoot, who dropped in for dinner at a
restaurant at a rest area at Felda Tenggaroh 2 here last month, be poachers?

This is the question on the minds of people at the rest area who saw the
group of about 20 men and their vehicles bearing the Wildlife Department
licence plates.

The Wildlife Department has denied that such an operation was carried out by
its officers.

They are now asking if the group, which had also been seen at two other rest
stops along Jalan Mersing and the town area around the same time, could be
Bigfoot poachers.

According to people at Felda Tenggaroh 2, it was raining at the time and the
casually-dressed men who arrived in their mud-splattered vehicles were
sitting near the shop after having their dinner.

Some of the men were seen chatting with a couple of salesgirls at a shop,
and when asked where they came from, they said had come from the jungle
further up Jalan Mersing.

The men also told the girls that they had come from Kuala Lumpur and had
camped in the jungle for the past two or three days, adding that they had
shot a baby Bigfoot using a tranquiliser gun.

When the girls asked if it was a mawas (orang utan) they had shot, the men
confirmed that it was indeed a Bigfoot creature and volunteered to show it
to them.

However, when the girls went outside the shop with the men, the truck where
the baby Bigfoot was believed to have been kept, was just being driven away.

Met yesterday, the girls said following a newspaper report on their story
about the Bigfoot hunters on Wednesday, officers from the district Wildlife
Department had quizzed them on the validity of their story.

The girls, who did not wish to be named, said they told the officers what
they had seen and heard from members of the expedition group last month.

A businessman at the Kota Tinggi town area, who had also met the expedition
members, claimed that he had taken a peek into the truck purportedly
containing the Bigfoot and saw something big lying inside.

However, as the window screen of the truck was tinted, he could not see the
creature clearly.

He added that the group members had turned down his request to photograph
the creature with his camera phone.

Meanwhile, bio-diversity researcher Vincent Chow said there was absolutely
no protection for the Johor Bigfoot and, therefore, it was easy for poachers
to capture them.

"The Bigfoot, which has been frequently sighted at the fringes of the jungle
here recently, has not been placed on the State's list of endangered species
and no law has been drawn up to protect them.

"This is a dangerous situation and if nothing is done, the Bigfoot
population in our jungles could be wiped out," he said.
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|04/23/06 at 11:40:39|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.100.139|Johor gives Bigfoot full protection
22 Apr 2006

JOHOR BARU: News of the alleged capture of a baby Bigfoot in Kota Tinggi last month has started an international debate on the need to protect the mythical creature.

Following this, the Johor Government has announced total protection for the Bigfoot, as a State heritage, which cannot be injured, captured, transported out of the State or killed.

This has won the praise of the American based Bigfoot Research Organisation (BFRO), which said: "The proactive step by Johor to declare the Bigfoot totally protected has disproved the assumption that no government would ever declare the species protected until at least one specimen was obtained by a hunter.

"Given the rarity of the species, it would have been a sadly ironic event if the world's first declaration of protection would have required the death of one of these rare animals."

BFRO in its website said Johor had thus taken another bold, historical step that other countries could only follow.

It added that the governments of Nepal, Tibet, Bhutan, India, China, Russia, America or Canada did not collect information on Bigfoot sightings from their citizens for the purpose of government-sponsored scientific research.

"Sightings in all of those countries do not get documented by any government agency. In the US and Canada, sightings reported to police and forest rangers are ignored and denied, even if the witnesses are the police and rangers themselves," it said.

"Malaysia is the only country that attempts to collect information on sightings from its citizens. Although sightings and track finds are not frequent, the Malaysian Government is still the only government in the world that will not hesitate to disclose any sighting information to the media.

"Laws regarding endangered species are typically set this way to provide for situations where a newly-discovered species with a very limited habitat is in need of immediate legal protection to prevent its extinction."

The only previous 'law' enacted that prohibits the killing of the Bigfoot is the 1969 ordinance in Skamania County, Washington.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Saturday/National/20060422130832/Article/index_html
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Richard_F|richard@cfz.org.uk|05/05/06 at 14:05:23|richard_f|xx|0|86.131.100.139|More Bigfoot footprints found near waterfall

03 May 2006
R. Sittamparam

KOTA TINGGI: The Johor Bigfoot, it seems, is still alive and kicking.

Kampung Lukut's well-known Bigfoot hunter Kong Nam Choy said yesterday that he had seen a set of eight fresh giant footprints, which he believed were made by Bigfoot, in the vicinity of the Kota Tinggi waterfall last Wednesday.

He said a friend from the village had come across the footprints while fishing in the area.

"The footprints, measuring about 60cm by 30cm with a diagonally positioned big toe, appeared fresh and were scattered along the banks of a stream," Kong said.

Residents of Kampung Mawai, meanwhile, believe the strange animal calls they continue to hear in the jungle are Bigfoot's.

Bigfoot mania was set off by a New Straits Times report at the end of last year on the purported sighting of a Bigfoot family of three at Kampung Mawai by three workers building a fish pond.

Kong, 38, who loves jungle-trekking in the area, found the first clear Bigfoot footprints on a tarred road in Kampung Temening near here in January.

In an incident last month, a Kampung Mawai prawn catcher who identified himself only as "Soma" said he heard a strange howling sound while out in his boat on the Sungai Sedili in the late afternoon.

He said: "The loud, throaty 'Ohh...', which sounded almost human, droned on for a few minutes. I have heard the calls of elephants and other animals but this was unlike anything I'd ever heard."

Soma said another fisherman friend of his heard the same eerie sound at the same place a day later.

Plantation workers at a 40-hectare oil palm plantation at Kampung Lukut had reported hearing similar sounds at 4am in mid-February.

Checks in the area at daybreak revealed huge footprints, like the ones found before, on a sandy riverbank nearby.

|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Richard_F|richard@cfz.org.uk|05/05/06 at 14:09:48|richard_f|xx|0|86.131.100.139| 'Bigfoot' cannot be brought out of Johor without permission
19 Apr 2006
Sim Bak Heng

JOHOR BARU, Tues:
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NO injury of any kind - including shooting - should be inflicted on Bigfoot (if it exists), which the Johor Government has classified as a totally-protected species.

The creature also cannot be brought out of the State should it be caught without the permission from the relevant State authorities.

The orders came following a report today that enforcement officers from the Wildlife Department in Kuala Lumpur were believed to have shot and caught a baby Bigfoot in Kota Tinggi two weeks ago.

State Environment and Tourism Committee chairman Freddie Long said:

"We are not sure if the department's officers had caught a baby Bigfoot. I only knew about it from newspapers today," he said after attending the weekly State Executive Council meeting here today.

It was reported ten men, believed to be from the Wildlife Department, entered the forests near the Tanjung Leman jetty area, about 70km from here, in three 4WD vehicles and camped there two weeks ago.

They were said to have encountered a family of Bigfoot and subsequently shot a young one using tranquiliser gun.

|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Richard_F|richard@cfz.org.uk|05/05/06 at 14:55:41|richard_f|xx|0|86.131.100.139|Making a fast buck from info on Bigfoot
12 Apr 2006
By Chuah Bee Kim

JOHOR BARU:
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You want to know about Bigfoot? No problem. How much are you willing to pay?


Information on Bigfoot, according to biodiversity researcher and Bigfoot enthusiast Vincent Chow, is coming at a price as more people clamour to learn about the creature said to be lurking in the jungles of Johor.

Chow claimed that villagers were not as forthcoming with information as before but the minute they were paid, they become very helpful and vocal.

He said villagers were asking for between RM20 and RM200, depending on the kind of information they had or the length of time they spend with the interviewer.

"I think it is reasonable because these villagers are mainly farmers and we need them to bring us to the spot where the footprints are found," Chow said.

He said he had forked out much of his own money researching Bigfoot.

He said the villagers also lashed out at the media for making use of them to get information which sold newspapers without paying them a cent.

"Not even a cup of coffee," was one complaint Chow had heard.

Chow also said he could not understand why some people were complaining of virgin jungles being raped by researchers searching for evidence of Bigfoot.

"The discovery of the Bigfoot footprints is enough to boost tourism, and not every tourist is going to venture into the jungle," he said.

Citing an example, Chow said the published accounts of a 15-metre-long "monster" in a lake near the city of Inverness in northern Scotland had attracted droves of tourists since the 1930s.

"Scotland remains a big tourist draw even though the Loch Ness Monster was proven to be a hoax 12 years ago," he said.

Chow said Kota Tinggi could be turned into a "Bigfoot Haunt", where tourists could buy souvenirs of the creature.

"Homestay programmes which never really took off in Johor can also do with a little Bigfoot publicity," he said.

Chow, incidentally, believes that Bigfoot is a colony of descendants of prehistoric Man, as their unique footprints were reportedly commonly found at the height of jungle-clearing activities in the 1960s.




|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Richard_F|richard@cfz.org.uk|05/08/06 at 11:10:47|richard_f|xx|0|86.131.100.139|Book has Bigfoot pictures
07 May 2006
By R. Sittamparam


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JOHOR BARU: A book on the Johor Bigfoot, said to include exclusive photographs of the elusive creature, has caused a stir among cryptozoologists around the world.


The book authored by local writers and researchers, including the man in the thick of Bigfoot research in Johor, Vincent Chow, is set to be released in the next few months.

Chow said yesterday he had seen the Bigfoot photographs, which belonged to an individual.

He added the individual wished to remain anonymous for the time being.

"The owner of the photographs has only agreed to allow them to be used in our book.

"All I can say is that the photographs are convincing and all visible signs point towards the possibility that the Johor Bigfoot could be a variant of the Homo erectus species of hominids (creature resembling humans), thought to have gone extinct some 50,000 years ago or that it is an unknown hominid."

Loren Coleman, a leading cryptozoologists, in his website Cryptomundo.com, open- ed a discussion on Thursday on the new book and received a flood of comments from the international community of cryptozoologists and Bigfoot enthusiasts.

Coleman, who has authored several books on the Bigfoot subject, said Chow’s revelation that the photographs showed the creature’s genitalia, could be proof of the creature’s sexual dimorphism.

"When Vincent Chow’s book shows the Bigfoot photographs, I will shout a hearty ‘congratulations’ to him.

"Yes, as he says, many will have the last laugh on this one. I will be especially happy for all the (Bigfoot) eyewitnesses who have had to tolerate ridicule merely for reporting what they saw."

Coleman said the reality of a living fossil existing, such as Homo erectus, would be earth-shattering.

"If Chow’s findings pan out, look for some revolutionary new thoughts within anthropology, palaeoanthropology, hominology and cryptozoology. As Chow has told me, what he is talking about are ‘photographs of the real McCoys’.

"I am happy to announce I will be one of the contributors to his book."


|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Richard_F|richard@cfz.org.uk|05/08/06 at 11:16:42|richard_f|xx|0|86.131.100.139|Book Has Bigfoot Pictures
By R. Sittamparam

JOHOR BARU: A book on the Johor Bigfoot, said to include exclusive
photographs of the elusive creature, has caused a stir among
cryptozoologists around the world.
The book authored by local writers and researchers, including the man in the
thick of Bigfoot research in Johor, Vincent Chow, is set to be released in
the next few months.
Chow said yesterday he had seen the Bigfoot photographs, which belonged to
an individual. He added the individual wished to remain anonymous for the
time being. "The owner of the photographs has only agreed to allow them to
be used in our book. All I can say is that the photographs are convincing
and all visible signs point towards the possibility that the Johor Bigfoot
could be a variant of the Homo erectus species of hominids (creature
resembling humans), thought to have gone extinct some 50,000 years ago or
that it is an unknown hominid."
Loren Coleman, a leading cryptozoologist, in his website Cryptomundo.com,
opened a discussion on Thursday on the new book and received a flood of
comments from the international community of cryptozoologists and Bigfoot
enthusiasts.
Coleman, who has authored several books on the Bigfoot subject, said Chow's
revelation that the photographs showed the creature's genitalia, could be
proof of the creature's sexual dimorphism.
"When Vincent Chow's book shows the Bigfoot photographs, I will shout a
hearty 'congratulations' to him. Yes, as he says, many will have the last
laugh on this one. I will be especially happy for all the (Bigfoot)
eyewitnesses who have had to tolerate ridicule merely for reporting what
they saw."
Coleman said the reality of a living fossil existing, such as Homo erectus,
would be earth-shattering.
"If Chow's findings pan out, look for some revolutionary new thoughts within
anthropology, palaeoanthropology, hominology and cryptozoology. As Chow has
told me, what he is talking about are 'photographs of the real McCoys'.
"I am happy to announce I will be one of the contributors to his book."


|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|05/10/06 at 09:50:23|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.100.139|From the New Straits Times (Malaysia): 10 May 2006
Identification key to protecting Johor Bigfoot
By R. Sittamparam

JOHOR BARU: Until researchers have determined the species and family of the
Johor Bigfoot, its only completely safe haven is Johor. The Wildlife
Department says scientific identification is a prerequisite for declaring it
a totally protected species.

The State Government has announced total protection for Bigfoot. This means
it is forbidden to injure, capture, kill or transport the animal out of the
State.

Wildlife Department Biodiversity Conservation Division director Siti Hawa
Yatim said it would be difficult to provide protection to an unknown
creature.

"The footprints and sightings are not enough for us to act on. We have no
way of providing protection for unknown animals under the Wildlife
Protection Act."

Siti Hawa said if there was sufficient proof of Bigfoot's existence, it
could be listed as a rare species and protected.

Her division had not made any move to investigate as the State Government
had not furnished the department with any convincing reports so far,
required for the Wildlife Department to order the installation of devices
such as camera traps and sound monitors in the areas with sightings.

On claims that a baby Bigfoot had been captured by a team of men in vehicles
bearing Wildlife Department markings, she said the department had mounted no
such expedition.

Meanwhile, two American-based Bigfoot web sites, BFRO and Cryptomundo, are
at loggerheads over a New Straits Times report on a Bigfoot book to be
published soon.

Cryptomundo broke the story of the book, which is said to include
photographs of the Johor Bigfoot, last week. BFRO, which has long been
following the story, says Cryptomundo has been too patronising in its
coverage.
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|billgreenctbigfoot|billgreenctbigfoot@sbcglobal.net|05/13/06 at 07:14:50|billgreenctbigfoot|xx|0|69.177.201.170|hi everyone good evening i realy injoy reading these updates about the malaysia sasquatch. but would like to email the malaysia sasquatch researchers to ask them nice questions about thier sasquatch research. im sure we will hear more about the malaysia sasquatch creatures tommarrow or this month etc. please keep me informed ok. thanks bill green ct usa sasquatch researcher.  :) :)|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Richard_F|richard@cfz.org.uk|05/13/06 at 13:44:29|richard_f|xx|0|81.155.45.216|Two Books Containing Pictures Of 'Bigfoot' Being Written

JOHOR BAHARU, May 13 (Bernama) -- Two books containing colour pictures of "Bigfoot" or Orang Lenggor and written by separate groups will be published in a few months in an attempt to prove the existence of the creature which has created worldwide interest.

Biodiversity expert Vincent Chow, who is writing one of the books with two others, said their book would answer questions about the elusive creature.

"It resembles a pre-historic human, not ape," he told Bernama on Friday.

"The body is covered by a layer of long hair except on the face, which is bare. It has a fierce-looking face, big body and walks with a hunch. It resembles a sturdy man," he added.

He said the book would shake the scientific world and the thinking of conventional scientists.

Chow said that from the pictures he had seen, the creature had probably lived in solitude for thousands of years without being detected.

When asked where and when the pictures were taken, he said he did not know but he was sure they were taken in a Johor forest.

He said the owner of the pictures was an elderly man who refused to reveal his identity and had left for Thailand recently to escape from possible harassment.

"From what we know, he is a former communist guerilla who spent a long time in the jungle," he said.

The owner had asked for the creature not to be disturbed and considered it a treasure of Johor which needed to be protected, he said.

Chow said the book would prove that the creature existed but it might not be able to satisfy the skeptics.

"They will say the pictures are phony and will believe it only if they were to touch it, smell its odour and so on," he said.

A Johor Wildlife Protection Association officer told Bernama that the association also planned to launch a book written in Chinese in July on the creature it calls Orang Lenggor.

"Yes, the book will have pictures as evidence of Orang Lenggor's existence. We are sure all along that the creature exists and the pictures will prove it," he said.


|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Richard_F|richard@cfz.org.uk|05/13/06 at 13:47:52|richard_f|xx|0|81.155.45.216|Hairy Hominoids Killed and Captured

The events in Malaysia are only the latest in a long history in Asia of interactions between humans and unknown hairy hominoids. Often, especially in times of war, the encounters have not been peaceful ones for the “Wild People.” Sometimes these incidents have been covered up for years, due to the military involvements, from regional fighting to the stories we are only recently hearing from the Vietnam War era. Will the future hold more such memoirs from fighting in Afghanistan?

In the meantime, in The Field Guide to Bigfoot and Other Mystery Primates, there are vivid historical examples given in great detail. Here are new Russian illustrations contributed by Dr. Igor Bourtsev of two of these infamous events in the history of hominology.



This is a drawing of an example of the occasional killing of gul’bi-yavan - the Tajik name of the area’s Wild Men - in 1925 in the Pamir mountains. The case was described to the Commission of the Academy of Sciences by KGB General Michael Topilski.



This sketch is of the military doctor Vazgen Karapetyan, an officer in the military service of the Soviet Army, checking on a captured captar (or more often written in English as kaptar) - the local name of their Wild Men - in Daghestan, Caucasus, in 1941, during the war. Karapetyan gave the information about the case also to the same Commission. The military that had captured the Kaptar wanted the doctor to discover if the unknown hairy biped was a disguised spy. His examination found it was not, and he had to depart. Years later, Karapetyan was to hear that it had been killed.

What stories will we be discussing from Malaysia twenty-five and fifty years from now?



|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|05/14/06 at 11:23:36|obadiah|xx|0|81.155.45.216|Johor to verify Bigfoot tales

14 May 2006
R. Sittamparam and Chong Chee Seong

MUAR: Menteri Besar Datuk Abdul Ghani Othman wants to get to the bottom of the Bigfoot mystery. The Government, he said, would like to verify the Bigfoot tales.

He said the State Government's Bigfoot Steering Committee was collating media reports, eyewitness accounts and evidence of their existence.

"Although the committee was set up in February, the State Government will only launch a search expedition when we have concrete evidence of the existence of Bigfoot," Ghani said after opening the RM2.6 million new building of Sekolah Menengah Pei Hwa, Sungai Mati yesterday.

He said he was aware that Bigfoot had aroused global interest and this made it necessary to do a careful, comprehensive and orderly scientific study of the phenomenon.

Meanwhile, Russian hominologists have turned their attention to Malaysia, hoping for a breakthrough in unravelling the mystery.

Dmitri Bayanov of the International Centre of Hominology in Moscow in an Internet posting, congratulated Malaysian Bigfoot researchers, saying: "The priority for researchers should be to obtain photographic evidence and describe in writing their observations and experiences.

"Malaysian Bigfoot researchers such as Vincent Chow are doing the right thing in carefully studying and compiling whatever evidence they have in a book rather than simply publicising it."

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Sunday/National/20060514075905/Article/index_html
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|05/21/06 at 12:57:43|obadiah|xx|0|81.155.45.216|From ThothWeb.com: 19 May 2006
The Cousin we don't talk about: What is Bigfoot?
By "Fyre Spirit"

From the Cascade Mountains of North America's Pacific Coast to Central Asia
to Australia, people have reported sightings of large, unknown hominid
creatures since long before stories were written down. These creatures have
been known by names such as Bigfoot, Almas, Yowies, Yeren, Sasquatch, Yeti,
Swamp Ape, and Mawas to name but a few.

The size of these creatures seems to range from somewhat smaller than humans
to a massive 10 feet and sometimes beyond. Often these sightings are written
off as a misidentified bear, or an overactive imagination. But the sightings
persist from so many parts of the world that they cannot be dismissed
outright.

What if Bigfoot and his relatives are real animals? What could they be? Are
they only bears, or could they be a species of animal as yet unidentified by
science? Or, could Bigfoot be a species believed to have lived in the past
but extinct today, like a species of ape or an archaic form of human?


There have been examples of animals once thought to be extinct turning up
very much alive. The coelacanth was known only from the fossil record, and
was believed to have died out with the dinosaurs. It was identified by
accident however after being found in a fishing net in the Indian Ocean in
the 1930's. Also, a species of rodent thought to have disappeared from the
planet 8 million years ago, the Laotian Rock Rat, was found very recently in
a market in Laos, destined for the stew pot. Some large mammal species were
thought to be hoaxes and tall tales until seen by Europeans; explorers had
heard tales of the mountain gorilla for centuries, but they were not
recognized by Western science until a specimen was seen in 1901.

In the rainforests of Southeast Asia, researchers are hot on the trail of a
possible Bigfoot. In Vietnam, the creatures are called Nguoi Rung, which
simply means "forest people." In some areas of Vietnam it is interesting to
note that these creatures are said to use fire, and to sometimes try to
interact with people. In areas closer to Laos, it is sometimes known as "khi
trau", which translates as "big monkey."

In Malaysia, this creature is known as either the mawas, a name which is
also used to indicate the orangutan, or the Hantu Jarang Gigi, the
"snaggle-toothed ghost". Most of Malaysia is heavily forested, and has
remained relatively undeveloped until recently, although humans of one type
or another have lived here for about 1 million years. Legends about these
creatures and reported sightings date far back into the region's history.
One local people, the Orang Asli, have a legend of a creature called the
Serjarang Gigi, or "Hairy Giant." These creatures were said to be eight feet
tall with huge arms and large, widely-spaced teeth.

In the reports of mawas sightings, the creatures are invariably bipedal, and
range from dark golden brown to black in color. The mawas are described as
being powerfully built creatures, and range in size from about 6 to well
over 10 feet in height. The mawas hair is not said to be as long over the
whole body as that of Bigfoot-type creatures in other parts of the world,
nor is it as dense. The mawas sightings occur in forested areas, and seem to
focus around water or around fruit trees. They seem to travel either singly
or in small family groups. From the eyewitness' descriptions, the mawas are
said to eat fruit and have a fondness for fish.

The Malaysian sightings have made news around the world lately, and have
become the focus of heated debate among researchers as to what these animals
could really be. Plaster casts of footprints have been presented as proof
along with a supposed hair sample. A group called the Johor Wildlife
Protection Society has made statements that they know of the existence of a
colony of the animals, which they call orang lenggor (Lenggor People). This
group claims a member of their society has researched and interacted with
this colony for six years now. Another researcher, a respected
conservationist named Vincent Chow, has co-authored a book based on 11 years
of researching the mawas. Mr. Chow says the book contains detailed
photographs of the mawas, photos with enough detail to show individual
features. In this book, Mr. Chow and his co-authors will reportedly make the
startling claim that the mawas are actually a previously unknown group of
survivors from an ancient era, our own ancestor, Homo erectus. The book is
not available as yet, but will hopefully be in print soon.

What could these mystery creatures be?

One possible Bigfoot candidate is a huge ape known from fossils from
Southeast Asia, and has been proposed as Bigfoot by many researchers. The
ape is Gigantopithecus blacki, an enormous vegetarian ape who lived during
the Pleistocene era.

Gigantopithecus was discovered in 1935 by G.H.R. Von Koenigswald when he was
browsing through a box of so-called "dragon bones" in an apothecary's shop
in Hong Kong. Von Koenigswald realized that several large, yellowed molars
were actually fossilized teeth. Eventually, over one thousand teeth and
three separate jaw bones were discovered at various sites in China and South
East Asia. Although no other remains for G. blacki have ever been found, the
ape's size has been estimated based on the size of the jaws. Using living
apes as a comparison, Gigantopithecus' size has been put at around 10 feet
in height with a weight of 1,200 pounds. G. blacki was a vegetarian who ate
mostly bamboo, much like the giant panda with whom it shared territory. This
huge ape also probably lived alongside early humans, since it is generally
believed to have died out some 100,000 years ago. It is possible that
competition with pandas and being hunted by early humans caused the
extinction of Gigantopithecus.

Although Gigantopithecus seems a likely candidate for Bigfoot, there are
several problems with that idea. The physical proof for Gigantopithecus
itself is scant, limited to some one thousand teeth and three jawbones.
These few remains were found only in Southeast Asia also, so there's no
proof this ape would have been present in all of the areas where we have
reports of wildmen today. However, if other animals, possibly including
humans, could have passed over a Bering land bridge into North America from
Asia, it's certainly not a stretch of the imagination for Gigantopithecus to
have done the same.

Also, we don't know if Gigantopithecus walked on two legs or on four. Almost
every sighting of a Bigfoot-type animal has been of a bipedal animal; that
is, one who walks on two.

Another candidate for Bigfoot's true identity has been proposed from our own
family tree. Our direct ancestor Homo erectus was first identified from
fossils found in the late 1800's and early 1900's. The first remains were
found in China and Indonesia originally, then also in eastern Africa. Homo
erectus fossils have been found from Africa and the Middle East to East
Asia, and possibly Europe, making Homo erectus our best-traveled early
ancestor. Homo Erectus used tools like modern peoples, which probably
allowed him to spread over such a huge area.

Homo erectus first appeared some 1.8 million years ago. They are believed to
have died out around 400,000 years ago, although the recent discovery of
small human remains in Indonesia could prove otherwise. Dubbed "Hobbits" by
the press, these small remains named Homo florensensis were found on Flores
Island, and are strikingly similar to Homo erectus although smaller. The
Homo florensensis remains are believed to date to just about 12,000 to
18,000 years ago, which means they would have lived alongside modern humans.
It is possible they were still living in even more recent times, as the
local peoples there have stories about creatures they call Ebu Gogo, or "the
grandmother who eats everything." This hominid was a small creature, only
standing about 3 feet high when fully grown.

Even though it is probably not the source of local Bigfoot stories, the
existence of Homo florensensis shows that other species of human could and
most likely did live alongside modern humans in some parts of the world.
However, it could very well be the basis of sightings of another mystery
hominid called the "orang pendek", or "short fellow." The orang pendek is
believed to live in the forests of Malaysia, and there are tales of similar
creatures called nittaewo in Sri Lanka, along with others from many other
islands in Indonesia and the Philippines.

The mawas of Malaysia

Though sightings of large, manlike animals in Southeast Asia are not new,
and in fact date far back into the past, recent developments in that region
of the world could shed light on the mystery of Bigfoot. Researchers in
Malaysia have been documenting possible sightings and tracks from these
creatures, called mawas by the local peoples. There have been rumors of a
possible captured creature, a claim which has been vehemently denied by the
Malaysian officials.

The speculation about the mawas' existence could be answered later this
year, when Vincent Chow releases a book he has co-authored on the subject.
Mr. Chow claims to be using photographs in this book of the mawas which will
definitively prove not only their existence, but also what they are. Mr.
Chow's ideas on these creatures are surprising, and will be discussed
further in this article.

So, of the two candidates discussed above, which is the better match for the
mawas? Both are believed to have roamed Southeastern Asia during the same
time period, and undoubtedly lived side by side. Open-minded scientists who
have considered the existence of Bigfoot often give Gigantopithecus as the
possible culprit, and although this large ape does match some descriptions
of mystery hominids, what we know of it does not completely match the
Malaysian sightings. Gigantopithecus would certainly have been large enough
to fit the descriptions of the mawas from eyewitnesses. Gigantopithecus
would have been enormously strong, with the heavily muscled body and limbs
Bigfoot-type animals are said to have. But researchers are certain it was
vegetarian after thorough examination of its teeth, where the mawas are said
to have a fondness for fish also.

Our other candidate, Homo erectus, was slightly smaller than the eyewitness
accounts of the mawas, although a person coming across an unexpected large
animal in a dense forest could well make errors in judging that animal's
size. Researchers are fairly certain that H. erectus was omnivorous, and
have found crude stone tools they think were used by H. erectus. Some of the
local traditions in Southeastern Asia tell of the mystery hominids using
tools like humans, such as the Nguoi Rung of Vietnam. Since researchers have
found much more of the remains of H. erectus than Gigantopithecus, they have
been able to reconstruct with confidence what our ancestor would have looked
like. H. erectus was fully bipedal, though with a sloping forehead and heavy
brow ridges. We know that H. erectus was strongly built, like the mawas and
other Bigfoot-type creatures.

Is there a third candidate?

While Vincent Chow and his associates are prepared to present their proof
that the mawas are a surviving population of H. erectus, another group of
researchers in the area has already released their report, and have stated
that the mawas are an unknown population of an animal already well-known to
science, the orangutan.

A group called the Asia Paranormal Investigators has released an extensive
report of their own investigation into the mawas, including field research
and interviewing eyewitnesses in Malaysia. API published their report on
Feb. 6, 2006, and it details their own research into the area, its peoples
and history. API came to the conclusion that the mawas were orangutans based
not only on their interpretation of the sightings, but on a news article
from China:

I found a Chinese newspaper published on the 25th Feb 2006 revealing that a
former Sultan of Johor once reared and later released 40 Orang Utans to
either the zoos or the forest. Could this be the Colony of 40 Bigfoot
mentioned by the Johor Wildlife Protection Society? Could it account for
some of the sightings of Bigfoot prints being found?

Also from the same report:

The Sin Min Daily published an article on the 25th February that said a
former Johor Sultan once reared forty Orang Utans, but released them
sometimes in the early 1970s. The Royalty being interviewed called the Orang
Utan a gorilla, but the actual animal could be clearly discerned from the
attached photograph in the article.

Could this be where the claim of the colony of Bigfoot originated from?
Perhaps there really was seventeen Orang Utans released into the Forest at
one time.

The report from API also points out that the word "mawas" is another name
for orangutan in some parts of nearby Sumatra.

Although orangutans still roam the islands of Sumatra and Borneo, they were
known to live also in the nearby area we now call Malaysia in the past.
During the last Ice Age, sea levels were much lower and most of the large
islands of what is now Indonesia were still connected to the mainland, so
any orangutans in Malaysia today could be left from this time.

Orangutans can range in color from red to a very dark golden brown, and the
large males can sometimes be close to five feet in height. Orangutans are
bulky animals, with heavy shoulders and wide chests, much like the mawas.
Though the largest male orangs usually travel on the ground because they are
so heavy, orangutans are arboreal or tree-living creatures. But it is
important to note that orangutans as we know them do not walk upright unless
they have been trained to, and they are almost exclusively vegetarian. Also,
orangutans do not match the facial description given by people who claim to
have seen the mawas.

Is a different species of human living in the forests of Southeast Asia
today?

If Mr. Chow and his associates are correct, there could be groups of an
archaic human still living today. This is a startling idea to modern humans,
as the last other type of human, the Neanderthals, is thought to have died
out some 29,000 years ago. If we did live side by side with the
Neanderthals, it is believed that our contact with them was rare, and that
the overlapping periods were very short. We aren't sure why this close
cousin went extinct, but we modern humans firmly believe that we are the
only species of human alive today.

But with the discovery of the tiny H. florensensis, this attitude has been
challenged. Our small cousins lived on the islands of Indonesia while we
were there, perhaps scavenging from our gardens or middens and hiding from
the tall cousin with the more advanced tools. We know these small humans
were hunters, and they were believed to have hunted the large Komodo dragons
and similar lizards along with a species of now-extinct elephant and other
fairly large mammals. But how similar were they to us, and how similar would
a surviving H. erectus be?

To answer this, let's look at another ape, the chimpanzee. These animals
live in the forests of equatorial Africa, where they have existed alongside
humans for millennia. Even though our last common ancestor with the
chimpanzee is believed to have lived some seven million years ago, recent
DNA tests have shown that we share a surprising 96 to 98 percent of our
genes with this distant relative. In fact, because we are so alike, when
scientists first classified the chimpanzee in 1775, they were originally
placed with us under the genus Homo. But because of controversy over placing
what was considered a mere animal in the same group as man, the chimpanzee
was reclassified sometime around 1816 into its own genus, Pan. If we share
so much with an ape not in our direct ancestry, how close would Homo erectus
be?

The implications of finding a living but more primitive human in the forests
of Southeast Asia are staggering. Would these creatures be considered
humans, or animals? Would we feel obligated to extend protection to them if
they were found to be extremely closely related to us? Indeed, many
indigenous peoples around the world thought of these mysterious forest
roamers as another type of people, and the names given to them mean simply,
"forest people." Finding a close cousin of ours living in what we consider
our own back yards would force us to redefine who and what human beings are.

Resources:

"Closer to Man than Ape", Ian Sample, science correspondent The Guardian
Tuesday, January 24, 2006
"From the Teeth of the Dragon: Gigantopithecus Blacki", by Eric Pettifor
"The Malaysian Bigfoot Enigma" by the Asia Paranormal Society, 1st released
on 6th February 2006, Last Updated on 23rd April 2006
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|billgreenctbigfoot|billgreenctbigfoot@sbcglobal.net|05/24/06 at 02:26:04|billgreenctbigfoot|xx|0|69.182.199.151|hi jon richard and everyone wow those are great updates about malaysia sasquatch activity i hope they definetly continue. bill|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Richard_F|richard@cfz.org.uk|05/24/06 at 11:37:59|richard_f|xx|0|86.128.1.193|Hi Bill
I think this creature is a yeti rather than a bigfoot. The yeti is an Asian species inhabiting tropical, semi tropical, and bamboo forests (it is not a white furred snow dweller!). It may well be a surviving form of Gigantopithecus blacki, a giant ape known from fossils.

Bigfoot inhabits temperate climes in N America. It may well be a large decendent of Homo errectus and ergo much more closly related to us than apes.|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|billgreenctbigfoot|billgreenctbigfoot@sbcglobal.net|05/26/06 at 04:29:50|billgreenctbigfoot|xx|0|69.177.223.106|hey richard i totaly agree with your reply to me . im realy looking forward on seeing those 2 new books about malaysia yeti creatures comeing out in the near future. thanks bill im very patient || Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Richard_F|richard@cfz.org.uk|05/26/06 at 11:52:01|richard_f|xx|0|86.138.65.165|Hi again Bill
Hope the books come out in the west! I might be going to look for the Malayan yeti with Channel Five (UK) later in the year but it is not deffinate yet. Fingers crossed!
All the best.|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|billgreenctbigfoot|billgreenctbigfoot@sbcglobal.net|05/26/06 at 20:32:37|billgreenctbigfoot|xx|0|69.177.200.55|hey richard thats great i hope you have a wonderful time on the expedition yes i hope those books come to the usa as well. is there a way to email or contact the malaysia researchers to ask them questions etc. thanks bill please keep in touch ok.  :)|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Richard_F|richard@cfz.org.uk|05/29/06 at 11:20:36|richard_f|xx|0|86.138.65.165|Comment: Bigfoot, Cyclops, Yeti or just hype?
27 May 2006
Dzulkifli Razak


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YES, the Johor Government wants to get to the bottom of the Bigfoot mystery. Bigfoot has managed to evade capture and has instead captured headlines. So far, all evidence of Bigfoot’s existence has been unpersuasive.

The Bigfoot mania is not new. Humanoid ape-like creatures have been sighted for centuries in many parts of the world. In the forests of North America, there have been sightings of Skunk Ape, Momo, Grassman and Woods Devil.

One of the earliest sightings of the footprints was in 1811 by a Canadian trader in Alberta. By the 1950s, the sightings were said to be almost regular. There are also similar tales of mythical giant apes in the oral traditions of Europe.

In Asia, there is the Abominable Snowman, or the Yeti, in the Himalayas; and Australia, the Yowie Man. Could Bigfoot or Hantu Jarang Gigi (snaggle toothed ghost) be the Malaysian version?

While the National Geographic (Oct 23, 2003) reported that thousands of people claim to have seen the hairy hominoid, the evidence of its existence remains fuzzy.

There are few clear photographs of the oversized beast. No bones have been found. Instead, countless pranksters have admitted faking footprints. Still, some are convinced of its existence.

As the debate rages on, Malaysians were awakened to the possibility of another legendary creature — this one a one-eyed beast. In this case, it resembles the Cyclops, the creature in Greek mythology.

It is said to have a single eye in the middle of the forehead and belongs to a race of giants with a foul disposition. As primordial sons of Sky (Uranus) and Earth (Gaia), the first generation goes by various names, such as Brontes (thunderer), Steropes (flasher) and Arges (brightener). Volcanoes were believed to be the aftermath of their underground work, giving their names to their vocation as the first smiths and metal workers.

The most famous Cyclops perhaps is Polyphemus, the one-eyed son of Poseidon and Thoosa. He was left blinded after fighting with Homer’s Odysseus who was also king of Ithaca.

Homer described the Cyclops as barbarous and pastoral savages who ate humans. This is sometimes seen as an allegory of the barbarians, the non-Greeks.

The subsequent generation of Cyclops such as Telemus (seer), after losing the skill of metallurgy, became a band of lawless shepherds in Sicily.

One hypothesis about the origin of the Cyclops’ single eye has its roots in the story that in ancient times, smiths wore an eye patch over one eye. This was to prevent them from being blinded in both eyes by flying sparks while working as smiths.

Yet another possible origin for the Cyclops legend points to the prehistoric dwarf elephant skulls — about twice the size of a human skull said to have been found by the Greeks in Crete.

Due to the large central nasal cavity (for the trunk) in the skull, it might have been believed that this was a large, single, eye-socket. This, however, could be a misidentification of the mundane creature.

Still, there is another type of Cyclops that belongs to the animated TV series, Futurama, where there is a she-character that resembles a Cyclops, named Turanga Leela.

Apart from her one eye, she is almost a normal human.

At another level though, the use of the word Cyclops is more real. It refers to species of crustacea related to lobsters, crabs and shrimps. These invertebrates with a hard outer shell are named after the Cyclops because, like the mythical creature, the microscopic animals have only one eye.

Given all the uncertainty over Bigfoot, it would be equally interesting to track down the Cyclops in our midst, just like the search for the Bigfoot. Interested anyone?

* The writer is the vice-chancellor of Universiti Sains Malaysia. He can be contacted at vc@usm.my

|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|billgreenctbigfoot|billgreenctbigfoot@sbcglobal.net|05/29/06 at 20:49:32|billgreenctbigfoot|xx|0|69.183.53.89|hi richard happy memorial day thanks for posting the updates about malaysia yeti creatures im sure there will be more this week. thanks bill  :) :)|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|06/13/06 at 09:22:28|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.98.207|From the New Straits Times (Malaysia): 12 June 2006
Bigfoot: Johor to verify new info
By R. Sittamparam

JOHOR BARU: Queries about the Johor Bigfoot continue to pour in from all
over the world, with many Malaysians claiming to have seen the creature.

State Tourism and Environment Committee chairman Freddie Long said the State
Government's Bigfoot Steering Committee had recently received some new
information.

"However, we have to conduct more studies and get scientists to verify the
information collected so far," he said.

"A lot of people in Johor have reportedly seen the Bigfoot or its physical
evidence such as giant footprints."

Speaking at the annual general meeting of the Malaysian Nature Society Johor
branch on Saturday, Long said he had received lots of email queries on the
matter.

"Once the study is completed, we will provide a report to the scientists
overseas."

Long said the State also looked forward to working with non-government
organisations such as MNS Johor to study and preserve the rich biodiversity
of its ancient forests.

"Our immediate co-operation with MNS Johor is in setting up a bird sanctuary
at the Bunker Trail in Gunung Panti. The site has become famous worldwide as
a premier bird- watching spot.

"I have instructed the State Forestry Department to demarcate a 120ha area,
which is home to about 300 species of birds, for the sanctuary."

He added that the bird sanctuary would be part of the Gunung Panti National
Park, which would be gazetted soon.|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|billgreenctbigfoot|billgreenctbigfoot@sbcglobal.net|06/19/06 at 16:38:41|billgreenctbigfoot|xx|0|69.182.168.53|hey ed thanks for posting that new article about malaysia sasquatch creatures, im sure we will see more articles about the creatures this week or this month etc. only time will tell. thanks bill  :) :) please keep me posted ok...|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|07/02/06 at 10:56:05|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.98.207|Reverse evolution theory about the Johor Bigfoot
30 Jun 2006

JOHOR BARU: The Johor Bigfoot could be a Homo erectus that had undergone "reverse evolution".

Homo erectus ("upright man") is a hominid species that is believed to be an ancestor of modern humans. It is a large-brained species which lived from approximately two million to around 400,000 years ago.

Sean Ang, a scientist from Kuala Lumpur who had analysed the prehistoric Perak Man excavated by Universiti Sains Malaysia in 1994, said based on evidence compiled about the creature by biodiversity researcher Vincent Chow, he thought the creature might have been in existence for more than 65,000 years.

"I concur with Chow’s findings that this could be an unknown species that went through reverse evolution to end up as a less intelligent creature than Peking Man, who could use fire and tools.

"Reverse evolution can take place when there is an abundance of food and the species group is small and totally isolated, as in the case of the Johor Bigfoot," said Ang, who holds a masters degree in palaeoanthropology from Sheffield University in England.

Ang was invited by Chow to discuss evidence that the latter had compiled, including clear photographs of footprints.

Acknowledging that the evidence was "believable", Ang said scientists were excited about the Johor Bigfoot as they would have a chance to come face-to-face with a living species of prehistoric man.

Ang, who used to work at the National Museum, said he had decided to team up with Chow to write a research paper on the Johor Bigfoot, for publication in a scientific journal for the benefit of other researchers.

"At present there is a lot of confusion among Bigfoot researchers all over the world as there are new hypotheses every other day.

"There is also no clear photograph or evidence to guide researchers."

Meanwhile, Chow said the involvement of Ang, who had studied fossil collections of prehistoric man in England and Japan, would enable a pro-scientific approach in their probe into the existence of the Johor Bigfoot.

He said it was time that the Johor Bigfoot phenomenon, which had so far been based on stories of sightings by villagers and Orang Asli, was viewed through the eyes of specialists.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Friday/National/20060630073831/Article/local1_html
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Malaysia May Make Biggest Scientific Discovery, Say Experts

June 30, 2006

JOHOR BAHARU, June 30 (Bernama) -- Malaysians may be in for the biggest scientific discovery in human history if the theory of the biodiversity expert Vincent Chow on the origin of the creature called "big-foot" is proven true.

For those who are still unfamiliar with Vincent Chow's name, he is the man who revealed to Bernama the possible existence of the creature in the jungles of Johor, attracting the attention of the world media and scientists.

And now, after undertaking studies on the evidence that he found, he is ready to expound the theory that such creature really existed in the state.

According to the theory, the Johor Bigfoot is probably a pre-historic human, namely the Homo-Erectus, who lived between two million and 400,000 years ago.

"It (Johor Bigfoot) is probably the remnants of Homo-Erectus. If my theory on the connection between the Johor Big-Foot and Homo-Erectus proves to be correct, it would be the biggest discovery in present times. It is the biggest present by Malaysia to the world," he said to Bernama here, Friday.

Homo Erectus existed before the emergence of modern man or Homo Sapiens.

The first fossil find of Homo Erectus was made in the late 19th century and early 20th century in parts of Indonesia and China. Later, similar finds were made in Africa.

Two celebrated discovery of Homo-Erectus fossils in Asia were the "Java Man" by Dutch researcher Eugene Dubois, at Trinil, Java, in 1891 and the "Peking Man" between 1923 and 1927 at Zhoukoudian in China.

According to Chow, the theory that Homo-Erectus moved from place to place might mean that they moved into Malaysia before proceeding to Indonesia and China.

In ancient times, Malaysia, Indonesia and China formed a single land mass.

"My theory is that the Homo-Erectus who stopped in Malaysia were attracted to the pleasant surroundings including plentiful food," he said.

"They are the remnants of Homo-Erectus whom we call Bigfoot, and the environment in which they lived could have caused some changes to them compared to the other Homo-Erectus," creating what is called "regional differences," he said.

He said the evidence found showed that the Johor Bigfoot had similar traits with Homo-Erectus.

Chow said his theory would be explained in detail in his research paper which he is working on with a local paleonthologist.

He urged the state government to regard seriously the possibility of this discovery and to maintain the creature's habitat.

He also urged the government to allow foreign experts to conduct research on Bigfoot.

http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=206044|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|07/09/06 at 08:36:02|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.100.7|Bigfoot has place in our family tree

04jul06

MYSTERIOUS "Bigfoot" creatures said to be roaming Malaysia's jungles are probably descended from humankind's ancient African ancestor, homo erectus, an environmentalist says.

"The species probably evolved from homo erectus. It has evolved over time and is a distinct species specific to Malaysia," said Vincent Chow of the Malaysian Nature Society.
Homo erectus is a species of hominid believed to be an ancestor of modern humans that existed about two million to 400,000 years ago.

Mr Chow has ventured into the jungles of southern Johor state to look for the creatures. He said "Bigfoots", whose existence had never been proven, could shed new light on human evolution.

"It could have evolved into a new species over thousands of years," Mr Chow said. "It will revolutionise the way how we look at our origin."


|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|07/12/06 at 09:52:51|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.100.7|From The Australian: 10 July 2006
Hobbits not humans, boffins say
Leigh Dayton

SCIENTISTS remain divided on what the "hobbit" was and how it arrived on a
remote Indonesian island more than 18,000 years ago.

But they are at least getting closer to ruling out what the controversial
creature was not.
It was not a member of any known group of early humans, or "hominids".

It was not a pygmy and not -- as sceptics such as Indonesia's Teuku Jacob,
Alan Thorne of the Australian National University and Robert Martin of the
Field Museum in Chicago have argued - a deformed modern human.

Instead, a team from the ANU and Sydney University believes the creature,
found on the Indonesian island of Flores two years ago, deserves its current
status as a new species of human, Homo floresiensis.

"The combination of cranial (skull) and postcranial (skeletal) traits is
unique," ANU doctoral student Debbie Argue and her colleagues will report in
the Journal of Human Evolution.

According to Sydney University team member Richard Wright, the hobbit most
resembled Homo ergaster, a hominid that lived in Africa and possibly Europe
nearly two million years ago.

"It all makes sense to me," said paleoanthropologist Peter Brown, of the
University of New England in Armidale, northeast NSW.

Along with discovery team leader Mike Morewood of UNE and Indonesian
archaeologists, Professor Brown described the hobbit in a Nature magazine
paper that stunned scientists worldwide in 2004.

The debate led Ms Argue, Professor Wright and their colleagues to compare
skeletal and cranial measurements of the hobbit to those of modern humans,
to people with a condition called microcephally and to chimpanzees, gorillas
and hominids from Africa and Indonesia.

"We've established the ground rules," said Professor Wright, who used a
sophisticated technique called multivariate analysis to determine which
individuals were alike and which were not.

"We now have a basis of proceeding beyond saying, 'I think it looks like a
microcephallic' or 'I don't think it looks like a microcephallic'," he said.
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|07/19/06 at 09:59:44|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.100.7|Research confirms 'Hobbit' a new species
Tuesday, 18 July 2006

An independent study has corroborated the work of Professor Peter
Brown, the University of New England scientist who analysed skeletal
remains found on the Indonesian island of Flores and concluded that
they represented a hitherto unknown human species.

Professor Brown, UNE's Professor Mike Morwood (the leader of the
archaeological team that discovered the remains) and their Australian
and Indonesian colleagues, in momentous publications in the
international journal Nature in 2004, named the tiny human species
Homo floresiensis (while the media quickly nicknamed it 'the Hobbit').

Professor Brown said today that the newly-published study by a team of
scientists from the Australian National University and the University
of Sydney had come as `a complete surprise - but a pleasant surprise.'

"The study - which uses a different approach to the analysis of our
published data - is a good example of the process by which the
scientific community verifies new findings," he said.

"There have been unsubstantiated suggestions that the remains could be
those of a deformed - or very short - modern person.

"While such suggestions can be seen as part of that process of
verification, the newly-published study is an important step towards
the general acceptance of our conclusions."

The new paper, published in the most recent issue of the Journal of
Human Evolution, is titled `Homo floresiensis: Microcephalic, pygmoid,
Australopithecus, or Homo?'

The researchers used a sophisticated technique called `multivariate
analysis' to compare skull measurements of Homo floresiensis with
those of diseased (microcephalic) modern humans, other modern humans
including African pygmies and Andaman Islanders, a `pygmoid' excavated
from another cave on Flores, and the extinct human relatives
Australopithecus and Paranthropus.

They concluded that, as the Homo floresiensis remains could not be
identified with any known species, their original identification as
representing a new human species was justified.

The paper supports the proposal of Professor Morwood and Professor
Brown, published in Nature in 2004 and 2005, that Homo floresiensis,
after emerging from Africa several million years ago, reached
Indonesia and survived on Flores until 12,000 years ago.

"It's good that an Australian team has been the one to come up with
this independent verification," Professor Brown said.

"There will be many more articles - by me and my colleagues, and by
others - on this subject, but I'm sure the substance of the discovery
will stand up."|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Ed Malone|cfz@eclipse.co.uk|07/20/06 at 09:22:12|obadiah|xx|0|86.131.100.7|Malaysian trekkers report fresh footprints of 'Bigfoot'
The Deseret News
January 13, 1995  
 
Deutsche Presse Agentur
KUALA LUMPUR - As he hunt for a massive hairy creature cal led "Bigfoot" entered its sixth day Thursday, Malaysian trekkers stumbled upon fresh footprints indicating they were close to its hide-out, investigators said. Army and police units, wildlife experts and jungle tribes joined the search dubbed "Operasi Kaki Besar" in Malay, or "Operation Bigfoot."

They combed several thousand square miles of dense jungle surrounding Tanjung Piai in Johore, the southernmost state of the Malaysian peninsula, where reports of sightings were first received. Tension mounted when superstitious villagers and jungle tribes feared that the fresh "footprints" could belong to another "Bigfoot," despite government efforts to assure them that there was only one "Bigfoot," not two.
Tribesmen burned twigs and dried leaves, banged tin cans and gongs, performed ritual dances and kept a 24-hour vigil with spears in an attempt to drive away the creature, which they said had been sent to Malaysia by evil forests. The eight-foot-tall creature's fresh footprints, found in dense undergrowth, measure about 1 1/2 feet long and display only four toes, investigators said.

Copyright:Distributed by Scripps Howard News Service.
According to the INFO Journal Fall 1969 (vol. 2, no. 1), a "giant" was seen in Malaysia that was over 17 feet tall in 1966.

Footrpints were found that were 18 inches long, 6 inches wide, and 5 inches deep
|| Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|billgreenctbigfoot|billgreenctbigfoot@sbcglobal.net|08/01/06 at 15:23:11|billgreenctbigfoot|xx|0|69.182.238.201|hey everyone thanks for interesting updates about the johor sasquatch situations. please keep definetly informed ok. bill  :)  p.s. im realy looking forward on seeing those books about johor hominids but im very patient. || Re: Bigfoot Sighted In Johor?|Richard_F|richard@cfz.org.uk|08/12/06 at 21:20:36|richard_f|xx|0|86.131.98.181|
Bigfoot website closed after revelations

By MARSHA TAN

JOHOR BARU: The website set up for discussion on the local Bigfoot has been closed for “maintenance”, and two major players in the search for the creature are making conflicting statements about photos related to the phenomenon.  

These dramatic developments came about after www.johorhominid.org released a photo yesterday that it claimed was an actual shot of a female Bigfoot’s eyes.  

 
BIGFOOT’S EYES?: A photo of what the founders of www.johorhominid.orgclaimed were the eyes of a female Bigfoot. The photo was taken from the website after it was posted there yesterday.
The posting of the photo came days after the website had released a sketch of what it claimed were the eyes of a female Bigfoot.  

According to the website, the photo had been provided by the Johor Wildlife Protection Association (JWPA).  

It also threw a challenge to visitors, offering RM1,200 to anyone who could find a match of the photograph or prove beyond doubt that it was a hoax.  

In addition, it said, the successful individual stood to receive free accommodation for two nights and three days at a five-star hotel, plus a guided tour to sites in Johor’s rainforest where the Bigfoot was likely to be seen.  

According to the website, the photo had been posted to attract the attention of more serious researchers and to get them to provide views on the issue.  

It said biodiversity researcher Vincent Chow, a co-founder of the website, had obtained the JWPA’s permission to use it.  

“The photo is a big breakthrough,” it said.  

However, at around 6pm, a visitor to the website posted a full-head shot of a creature in the comment page, which showed the same bloodshot eyes featured in the first photo.  

“You have no credibility left! Habis! (Finished!),” the visitor wrote, adding that the full-head shot had been obtained from another website.  

At close to 7pm, the once-active www.johorhominid.org site was closed, and there was a notice stating that it was down for maintenance.  

Meanwhile, it is uncertain what the photo it had posted earlier actually showed.  

When contacted, website co-founder Sean Ang said: “We have closed down the site to investigate the matter.”  

JWPA secretary Tay Teng Hwa said the association had never released any photos to anyone.  

“We will release photos of Bigfoot in a book that will be launched soon. Who said we gave them any photographs?” he said.  


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